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Old 09-14-2018, 08:11 PM   #1
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Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

Fall Wynn Classic is coming up! Starts Sept. 26th with a few really nice guarantees.

Really looking forward to this series, 9 handed and using big blind antes!
Giddy up!

http://wynnpoker.com/wynn_classic.cfm
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Old 09-16-2018, 12:02 PM   #2
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Re: Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

Thanks for posting! Hope to see everyone shortly. Any questions feel free to post 'em here.

Anyone looking for poker rate (129/199) please email us at poker.reservations@wynnlasvegas.com.
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Old 09-19-2018, 02:37 PM   #3
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Re: Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

Nine-handed is a wise move but everything being BBA is a deal killer. Sad to see even the Seniors Event being screwed up with that move. I would have carved out time on the schedule to fly out next week if it were a traditional structure...
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Old 09-19-2018, 07:32 PM   #4
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Re: Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

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Nine-handed is a wise move but everything being BBA is a deal killer. Sad to see even the Seniors Event being screwed up with that move. I would have carved out time on the schedule to fly out next week if it were a traditional structure...
Hey michelle, I'm actually a huge fan of the Big Blind Ante structures, the games seems to move much quicker and you get more hands in. I know this has been debated in other threads, but overall, the dealers seem to like it better and you dont have to deal the making of change or coloring up the 25 chips, etc..

Serious question, what about big blind ante do you not like?
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Old 09-20-2018, 01:42 PM   #5
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Hey michelle, I'm actually a huge fan of the Big Blind Ante structures, the games seems to move much quicker and you get more hands in. I know this has been debated in other threads, but overall, the dealers seem to like it better and you dont have to deal the making of change or coloring up the 25 chips, etc..

Serious question, what about big blind ante do you not like?
My thoughts on the matter have been discussed in the other threads. I also addressed it with Wynn poker staff when I final tabled a Seniors Event that I flew out for a few months back SPECIFICALLY because it was still using traditional antes. Bottom line is that, having entered more than one of these structured events at different properties, there is no significant difference in number of hands and it leaves more people sitting around NOT playing hands since they have no skin in the game. I was opposed to it before playing and, having played BBA structures, I remained opposed.

And yes, it really is about that simple...post it as a BBA and I won't play. Was set to play Poker Masters until the NLHE events showed as BBA. One advantage to being old and having discretionary income is that I can make choices like this...just as, obviously, TD's can make the decision that they would rather have players contributing nothing to their poker economy.
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Old 09-28-2018, 05:57 AM   #6
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Re: Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

The Wynn Classic is my favorite tournament series of the year for many reasons.

1. The dealers and floor staff are the best. The dealers are professional and fast. The floor is fair in their rulings and they run tournaments like a well oiled machine.

2. Comps are automatically added to your players card. You can use these comps to get table side dinning from Wazuzu. I recommend the drunken beef noodles or the blackened salmon caesar salad.

3. Parking is free if you have enough tournaments played or cash game hours for the year. It is also free if you ask for your ticket to be validated in the poker room.

4. Big Blind Ante format shows that the poker room is forward thinking and they have listened to their customers. The Wynn summer classic was all BBA and the players loved it. When players could choose from 5+ casinos to play a tournament during June, many choose Wynn because they used BBA. BBA is the future for all live NLH MTTs.

5. The luxury of playing at a high end resort casino. The finest amenities and upscale clientele make you feel welcome.

6. The rake is low, the play is nine handed and the trophies are beautiful.

I will see you guys soon!

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Old 09-28-2018, 06:51 PM   #7
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Re: Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

Thanks for the support Boski! GL
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Old 09-29-2018, 04:17 PM   #8
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My thoughts on the matter have been discussed in the other threads. I also addressed it with Wynn poker staff when I final tabled a Seniors Event that I flew out for a few months back SPECIFICALLY because it was still using traditional antes. Bottom line is that, having entered more than one of these structured events at different properties, there is no significant difference in number of hands and it leaves more people sitting around NOT playing hands since they have no skin in the game. I was opposed to it before playing and, having played BBA structures, I remained opposed.

And yes, it really is about that simple...post it as a BBA and I won't play. Was set to play Poker Masters until the NLHE events showed as BBA. One advantage to being old and having discretionary income is that I can make choices like this...just as, obviously, TD's can make the decision that they would rather have players contributing nothing to their poker economy.
Nothing you are saying makes any sense-
You have discussed it before on this forum and with Wynn staff-
You did not provide a link or bullet point of your discussion with Wynn staff. I am going to assume this exchange amounted to you making some stern off hand remake about your preference for a traditional ante/ aka: the time waster ante.

So you have played events with both style antes, claim it makes no difference in the amount of hands played-

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? Did you record data on the number of hands played, number of players dealt to, which dealer and what level for each style and then compare results? Or are you just making that claim out of thin air(most likely thin air)

BBA leaves people sitting around not playing hands because they do not have "skin in the game"(This is the most outrageous claim)-

A.)What world are you living in? Are you saying the average poker player in a tournament will play less hands because, instead of putting in a very small amount of there stack into the pot every hand they put in what amounts to, on most cases a larger amount of chips in the pot on the BB? Have you or any you ever known called a hand they would have other wise folded because they paid an ante? Blinds and 200-400/ 25 Hj raises to 1800 Button looks down at 4h8c "...(sigh) well I'm in for 25 can fold now.....if this was two levels ago it would be an easy fold"
B.)They have the exact same skin in the game and the exact same incentive to play- They still bought in for the same amount and the prize pool is still the prize pool, te value of the chips is unchanged and there is still a lot of dead money in the pot as we still have an ante, often more because the ante amount no longer decreases when you have fewer players. So by that measure they have more "skin in the game" as the value of the pot will often be higher.

You claim that you were going to play the masters and to be "old and have discretionary income-

So by this claim it sounds like you play Recreationally and do not do this for a living, if thats the case why would you get hung up on such a small issue. If you can afford to play the masters why would you bother to travel for such a small event when there are plenty at that level in better locations or even playing in this size events? BBA is not a huge deal at all

TD's can make the decision that they would rather have players contributing nothing to their poker economy.-

Why do you think you opinion carries so much weight on such a trivial issue? 99% of the poker community prefers the BBA 0% off the pro BBA crowd are refusing traditional ante events. Why are you making a mountain out of a mole hill.

TD's can make the decision that they would rather have players contributing nothing to their poker economy.-

Your the person who asks the see the manager when you don't get you way, sends back food that you have eaten most of because it was not made right...you are that person everywhere arent you?
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Old 09-30-2018, 03:45 PM   #9
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Re: Sept. 26 to Oct. 14: Wynn Classic

Hi y'all. We had a great turnout for our first multi-day of the series. This weekend's $250,000 gtd ended up with 652 players for a prize pool of $341,126.

We have several singled say events this week including a Survivor, Seniors, and PLO. Full scheduled on the website.

Regarding the BBA, please limit the debate to the specific thread. Thank you.
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Old 10-03-2018, 05:14 PM   #10
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Nothing you are saying makes any sense-
You have discussed it before on this forum and with Wynn staff-
You did not provide a link or bullet point of your discussion with Wynn staff. I am going to assume this exchange amounted to you making some stern off hand remake about your preference for a traditional ante/ aka: the time waster ante.

So you have played events with both style antes, claim it makes no difference in the amount of hands played-

How exactly did you come to that conclusion? Did you record data on the number of hands played, number of players dealt to, which dealer and what level for each style and then compare results? Or are you just making that claim out of thin air(most likely thin air)

BBA leaves people sitting around not playing hands because they do not have "skin in the game"(This is the most outrageous claim)-

A.)What world are you living in? Are you saying the average poker player in a tournament will play less hands because, instead of putting in a very small amount of there stack into the pot every hand they put in what amounts to, on most cases a larger amount of chips in the pot on the BB? Have you or any you ever known called a hand they would have other wise folded because they paid an ante? Blinds and 200-400/ 25 Hj raises to 1800 Button looks down at 4h8c "...(sigh) well I'm in for 25 can fold now.....if this was two levels ago it would be an easy fold"
B.)They have the exact same skin in the game and the exact same incentive to play- They still bought in for the same amount and the prize pool is still the prize pool, te value of the chips is unchanged and there is still a lot of dead money in the pot as we still have an ante, often more because the ante amount no longer decreases when you have fewer players. So by that measure they have more "skin in the game" as the value of the pot will often be higher.

You claim that you were going to play the masters and to be "old and have discretionary income-

So by this claim it sounds like you play Recreationally and do not do this for a living, if thats the case why would you get hung up on such a small issue. If you can afford to play the masters why would you bother to travel for such a small event when there are plenty at that level in better locations or even playing in this size events? BBA is not a huge deal at all

TD's can make the decision that they would rather have players contributing nothing to their poker economy.-

Why do you think you opinion carries so much weight on such a trivial issue? 99% of the poker community prefers the BBA 0% off the pro BBA crowd are refusing traditional ante events. Why are you making a mountain out of a mole hill.

TD's can make the decision that they would rather have players contributing nothing to their poker economy.-

Your the person who asks the see the manager when you don't get you way, sends back food that you have eaten most of because it was not made right...you are that person everywhere arent you?
Michelle can speak for herself, and I really don't want to get into another BBA debate (this has been well-covered territory). But you seem to be attacking her based on her lack of empirical data in her argument against BBA. Well, I have conducted the experiments you asked for... several times, and I have found that eliminating ante collection saves in the neighborhood of 7-11 seconds per hand, which translates into gaining 1-2 hands/hour. I have yet to see anybody provide any evidence which contradicts this except for the often repeated "BBA saves tons of time" stuff, which is empirical nonsense So, I remain convinced that the "benefits" of the BBA, at least for players, are almost 100% psychological. On its own, that would be fine, however there are detrimental issues with the BBA when it comes to structure which is why those TDs keen on adopting it seem to be contorting themselves in pretzels trying to modify the structure towards the end of tournaments to lessen these negative effects. So, the question can be asked, why are members of the pro BBA crowd making such a mountain out of something which is a mole-hill when it comes to improving the game?
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