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Old 03-23-2019, 12:03 PM   #1
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Seniors: Aria ($470) vs WSOP ($250) on June 12

Which is the better "warm up" for the $1K WSOP Seniors on 6/13? The weekly Wednesday Senior $250 at WSOP or the Aria Senior $470? Both are the day prior. $250 starts at 9 AM and Aria starts at 11 AM.

Will the $100k guarantee at Aria fill seats, or will the $250 price point at WSOP get nits in seats?

I just turned 50, so this Senior thing is kind of new, and I want to maximize my youthful advantage...
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Old 03-23-2019, 12:50 PM   #2
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Which is the better "warm up" for the $1K WSOP Seniors on 6/13? The weekly Wednesday Senior $250 at WSOP or the Aria Senior $470? Both are the day prior. $250 starts at 9 AM and Aria starts at 11 AM.

Will the $100k guarantee at Aria fill seats, or will the $250 price point at WSOP get nits in seats?

I just turned 50, so this Senior thing is kind of new, and I want to maximize my youthful advantage...
The Aria seniors last year had 334 entries and a 133K+ prize pool. Last year it was 2 days before the Rio seniors but this year, as you noted, the day before.

I don't know when the Aria ended last year but you may have to plan for a late or early morning ending. If you bust early it won't matter.

The Rio is a new event and by nature I distrust the logistics at the Rio in which an event starts at 9AM. Who knows how many and how long the lines ? I plan to look on the prior weeks numbers and see how the event progresses before making a decision.

Personally, I am more comfortable at the Aria in all aspects, but it doesn't negate playing at the Rio.

I suspect that there will be many players at both venues who do not plan to play at the Rio for the Thursday event. Nits, and nits, who knows???
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Old 03-23-2019, 06:36 PM   #3
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Re: Seniors: Aria ($470) vs WSOP ($250) on June 12

Are there any structures available on the Aria event.
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Old 03-23-2019, 11:29 PM   #4
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Re: Seniors: Aria ($470) vs WSOP ($250) on June 12

Keep in mind that there is also a two-day event at the Venetian that starts on Tuesday, so Wednesday will be day #2 of that event ($800), so both the Rio event and the Aria event on Wednesday will not include anyone who makes day #2 at the Venetian.
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Old 03-24-2019, 09:04 AM   #5
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The Aria seniors last year had 334 entries and a 133K+ prize pool. Last year it was 2 days before the Rio seniors but this year, as you noted, the day before.

I don't know when the Aria ended last year but you may have to plan for a late or early morning ending. If you bust early it won't matter.

The Rio is a new event and by nature I distrust the logistics at the Rio in which an event starts at 9AM. Who knows how many and how long the lines ? I plan to look on the prior weeks numbers and see how the event progresses before making a decision.

Personally, I am more comfortable at the Aria in all aspects, but it doesn't negate playing at the Rio.

I suspect that there will be many players at both venues who do not plan to play at the Rio for the Thursday event. Nits, and nits, who knows???
Can you explain the comfort zone you talk about.
Anyone got the details on Aria structure
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Old 03-24-2019, 12:29 PM   #6
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Can you explain the comfort zone you talk about.
Anyone got the details on Aria structure
No, I can't do that as I was speaking personally to which you could and should have a different approach. You might look up the structures to the 2018 tournaments (dunno where they are) until this year's is released.

And again, I like the Aria poker room, also the Venetian and the Wynn, and even others( Nugget, Orleans,Planet Hollywood) . Go figure .
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Old 03-24-2019, 07:34 PM   #7
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The Aria seniors last year had 334 entries and a 133K+ prize pool. Last year it was 2 days before the Rio seniors but this year, as you noted, the day before.

I don't know when the Aria ended last year but you may have to plan for a late or early morning ending. If you bust early it won't matter.

The Rio is a new event and by nature I distrust the logistics at the Rio in which an event starts at 9AM. Who knows how many and how long the lines ? I plan to look on the prior weeks numbers and see how the event progresses before making a decision.

Personally, I am more comfortable at the Aria in all aspects, but it doesn't negate playing at the Rio.

I suspect that there will be many players at both venues who do not plan to play at the Rio for the Thursday event. Nits, and nits, who knows???
So... Any senior that went deep in the Venetian Senior tournament won't be playing in either WSOP Weekly Senior or Aria Senior. The Aria Senior from last year had 30 minute levels and 20k starting stack. The WSOP $250 daily (no Senior weekly last year) had a similar structure; 30 minute levels and 20k stack.

So will the Aria $100k guarantee for this year's Senior event make it a larger, but tougher, field, while the WSOP weekly will be a smaller, but more beatable, field?

All day and night with 300+ runners and a $120k prize pool at Aria, or 100 runners and done before dinner at WSOP for a $20k prize pool is what it's looking like.
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Old 03-24-2019, 08:55 PM   #8
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So... Any senior that went deep in the Venetian Senior tournament won't be playing in either WSOP Weekly Senior or Aria Senior. The Aria Senior from last year had 30 minute levels and 20k starting stack. The WSOP $250 daily (no Senior weekly last year) had a similar structure; 30 minute levels and 20k stack.

So will the Aria $100k guarantee for this year's Senior event make it a larger, but tougher, field, while the WSOP weekly will be a smaller, but more beatable, field?

All day and night with 300+ runners and a $120k prize pool at Aria, or 100 runners and done before dinner at WSOP for a $20k prize pool is what it's looking like.
I didn't mean to imply that the Aria would go to , for example, until 5 in the AM. I can't bring forth the data but i believe that one day tourneys like the Aria gravitated to about 12 midnight but perhaps someone could clarify.

However , I have played in the $250 deepstacks which went until 7 AM which was common for that 1 PM starter . This was a function of the numbers which were usually greater than 1000 players.

I don't know from "beatable" and there's structure and there's structure. All and all, if you plan to play in the WSOP seniors on Thursday and get a good night's sleep then the AM tourney appears safer.

To be clear I used the word "early morning" incorrectly as it is usually used for the AM hours of 5,6,7,... but my thought was more like 12 AM which I thought as "early morning". lol Thanx.

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Old 03-24-2019, 10:40 PM   #9
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All day and night with 300+ runners and a $120k prize pool at Aria, or 100 runners and done before dinner at WSOP for a $20k prize pool is what it's looking like.
How do you figure 100?
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Old 03-25-2019, 04:41 AM   #10
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How do you figure 100?
I'm just making an educated guess based on last year's data, but I'll keep an eye on the WSOP Weekly Senior event once it kicks off in May. It's 9AM, and competing with an event that had almost 350 runners last year. The senior player pool is only so deep. If the old folk (myself included) are coming to Vegas that week for the $1k bracelet event, then which tourney, if they play a warm up, will they play? The $1k bracelet event last year had over 5500 entries, and Aria still only had under 350, this may mean that a lot of seniors are only playing the bracelet event. Will a $250 price point versus $470 make a difference? I don't know, and I am just guessing that the Aria will be around 300 runners and the WSOP weekly will be about 100...
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Old 03-25-2019, 11:13 AM   #11
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Re: Seniors: Aria ($470) vs WSOP ($250) on June 12

Aria charges for parking and would not validate as all other rooms did for seniors events last year. Think of it as adding 5% to the rake.
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Old 03-25-2019, 12:20 PM   #12
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Aria charges for parking and would not validate as all other rooms did for seniors events last year. Think of it as adding 5% to the rake.
Or, provided one lives in the States, get the Mlife credit card and not worry about the parking...plenty of time to get approved AND receive the card between now and June.

Even without the card, admittedly I never worry about parking since I don't rent a car while in town. However, other options would exist that carry either no charge or would still be cheaper than paying Aria. Those might *gasp* include some walking or, alternately, Uber'ing from the Rio (where there would be no parking fee but where the car is still less than Aria rates).
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Old 03-25-2019, 02:44 PM   #13
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Re: Seniors: Aria ($470) vs WSOP ($250) on June 12

If they only get 100 runners in the Rio $250 senior weekly on June 12th, I'll eat my newsboy hat!
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Old 03-25-2019, 03:10 PM   #14
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Old 03-25-2019, 07:47 PM   #15
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If they only get 100 runners in the Rio $250 senior weekly on June 12th, I'll eat my newsboy hat!
I'm just trying to figure where the players are going to come from. Venetian last year was also prior to Aria. Maybe between Aria and the WSOP weekly they get 500 runners, but how they will break out is anyone's guess. 50/50, 70/30, 80/20, remains to be seen. Maybe there is a little growth in total players due to the $250 price point, but honestly, it's a Wednesday, it's 9am, and it's new.
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Re: Seniors: Aria ($470) vs WSOP ($250) on June 12

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I'm just trying to figure where the players are going to come from. Venetian last year was also prior to Aria. Maybe between Aria and the WSOP weekly they get 500 runners, but how they will break out is anyone's guess. 50/50, 70/30, 80/20, remains to be seen. Maybe there is a little growth in total players due to the $250 price point, but honestly, it's a Wednesday, it's 9am, and it's new.


I donít know where they will come from, but I will bet they have a significant field. With the WSOP brand the day before the ring event, I would expect that they are planning on more than 500 and 1000 would not surprise me. Unfortunately I am old enough to have been playing Seniors events for about 10 years. Seniors week has grown each year at all of the casinos, which is why so many of them have events. I have never played an event at any location that week that did not have a large crowd that pressed that casinos capacity.


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Old 03-26-2019, 03:04 AM   #17
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Old 03-27-2019, 05:59 PM   #18
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If they only get 100 runners in the Rio $250 senior weekly on June 12th, I'll eat my newsboy hat!
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I'm just trying to figure where the players are going to come from. Venetian last year was also prior to Aria. Maybe between Aria and the WSOP weekly they get 500 runners, but how they will break out is anyone's guess. 50/50, 70/30, 80/20, remains to be seen. Maybe there is a little growth in total players due to the $250 price point, but honestly, it's a Wednesday, it's 9am, and it's new.
The closest comparison is the Wednesday OPEN $250 last year starting at 1:00

First clearly this is an OPEN field starting at 1:00 PM not a SR at 9:00 AM
but on WEDNESDAYS these were the fields

6/06/18 1050 36K winner
6/13/18 1022 35K winner
6/20/18 1020 35K winner
6/27/18 1200 40K winner

I am going to be equally shocked as 9iron if the Sr event does not get at a minimum 200 players especially if they allow unlimited buy ins as they have in the past for say 8 to 10 levels. Be happy to make a friendly wager at +150
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Old 03-27-2019, 08:28 PM   #19
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The closest comparison is the Wednesday OPEN $250 last year starting at 1:00

First clearly this is an OPEN field starting at 1:00 PM not a SR at 9:00 AM
but on WEDNESDAYS these were the fields

6/06/18 1050 36K winner
6/13/18 1022 35K winner
6/20/18 1020 35K winner
6/27/18 1200 40K winner

I am going to be equally shocked as 9iron if the Sr event does not get at a minimum 200 players especially if they allow unlimited buy ins as they have in the past for say 8 to 10 levels. Be happy to make a friendly wager at +150
It goes back to the reason for my OP. Which should I play? Aria had 336(?) runners last year with no competing event. If less than 10% of the bracelet field played the Aria prior to the $1k, will the $250 price point increase the percentage of seniors who play a warm up event? Probably, but by how much? Will Aria take a hit and not cover the $100k due to the $250 at Rio? I'd put the O/U of total unique runners in both the $470 and $250 at 590.
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It goes back to the reason for my OP. Which should I play? Aria had 336(?) runners last year with no competing event. If less than 10% of the bracelet field played the Aria prior to the $1k, will the $250 price point increase the percentage of seniors who play a warm up event? Probably, but by how much? Will Aria take a hit and not cover the $100k due to the $250 at Rio? I'd put the O/U of total unique runners in both the $470 and $250 at 590.


The Aria will make their Guarantee for the seniors event. In fact I would expect every casino to make their seniors event guarantee that week. So I would play the one that appeals to you for the reasons that you consider important. I do think that the Rio seniors on Wednesday will have a larger prize pool than Aria.


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Old 03-27-2019, 10:00 PM   #21
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It goes back to the reason for my OP. Which should I play? Aria had 336(?) runners last year with no competing event. If less than 10% of the bracelet field played the Aria prior to the $1k, will the $250 price point increase the percentage of seniors who play a warm up event? Probably, but by how much? Will Aria take a hit and not cover the $100k due to the $250 at Rio? I'd put the O/U of total unique runners in both the $470 and $250 at 590.

Last year The Wed. Aria Seniors had to go up against the Day 1B of the Venetian Seniors which received 1500 entries of which probably 900-1000 were from day 1B. Their Sunday Seniors did a little better at 452 but had competition from the WSOP Super Seniors.

Comparing similar senior price points to this years Aria/pre-WSOP Senior warmup, Golden Nugget drew over 900 entries on that Saturday for a $250 buy-in where Planet Hollywood's $600 Seniors on the same day drew close to 400.

There were 5900 entries for the WSOP Seniors on a Friday. I suspect that might drop a little with it being a Thursday but there's still a couple thousand rec seniors like me who will be there on that Wed. that IMO will play a WSOP event over another casino event cuz it's the WSOP. 9 a.m. won't scare any seniors away. I'd be shocked if they got less than 500 and think they will get closer to 1000.

Aria will still have plenty of entries with Venetian and Wynn (I would assume) holding their seniors just before Aria. The choice I'm considering is whether to play the $250 GN Seniors or the $400 Seniors at Orleans on Saturday. Hopefully I'll be deep into day 3 at the WSOP to not have to worry
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Old 03-28-2019, 01:32 AM   #22
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WSOP always has the potential to get a lot more entries than any other place because of bracelet event knockouts. Late regs and deep starting stacks make it more appealing. People that are already at the Rio are unlikely to go to Aria.
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WSOP always has the potential to get a lot more entries than any other place because of bracelet event knockouts. Late regs and deep starting stacks make it more appealing. People that are already at the Rio are unlikely to go to Aria.
+1

Walking downstairs and playing at 9:00 AM (for many of our body clock traveling west is 11:00 AM anyway) versus driving or ubering to the Aria the day before the WSOP Sr. is exactly the point. Old fart convenience will rule the decision making process for most staying at the RIO.

The Next week 6/19/19 Wednesday ARIA will probably do much better in comparison although by sheer numbers it will not have the runners. I know that is my tentative approach.... 6/12/19 Rio 6/19/19 Aria
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WSOP always has the potential to get a lot more entries than any other place because of bracelet event knockouts. Late regs and deep starting stacks make it more appealing. People that are already at the Rio are unlikely to go to Aria.
My gut feeling from first hearing of the WSOP Wednesday senior event the day before the main senior event is that it will draw I am guessing likely a K or above. Perfect event to climatize for the next day senior event.
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Old 03-28-2019, 06:25 PM   #25
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My gut feeling from first hearing of the WSOP Wednesday senior event the day before the main senior event is that it will draw I am guessing likely a K or above. Perfect event to climatize for the next day senior event.
I hope so. We'll see. I get into town late Tuesday night, so now I have an incentive to get a decent amount of sleep instead of pulling my usual all nighter my first night in town.

I'm thinking for $500 I could play Aria and have enough left over for a snack or play the $250 and have a buy in left over for the inevitable cash game after I bust out...
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