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04-14-2019 , 01:40 PM
Just got here to Reno Friday night to play some of these RIU events which seems like a fun little series.

First event I played was the 6-max NLO8 which had a 7-handed final table.

Didn't really appreciate the floor manager Tim intervening with a hand I was in though. What do you guys think?

So 7 left, I'm in seat 7 (directly right of dealer), seat 1 Sarah (directly left of dealer) and I get in a hand after I decide to limp-call her raise pre (8k, and she made it 20k). I'm OOP vs her here, and decide to take A bit of an unconventional (limp/call) line at this level being short-stacked (2nd to shortest with the shortest player to my direct right and blinds approaching). Anyways everyone else folds and I have about a half pot left behind.

Now, while the dealer is laying the flop out 255 (two spades) Sarah ask me how much I have behind, and the dealer then ask me to push my chips forward. I do so enough so that Sarah in seat one can clearly see how much I have but with no other intent but to show her based on hers and the dealers request.

Now the floor man Tim kind of walking by and only seeing me push my chips forward suddenly uncalled for intervenes and announces something about me being all in although it was perfectly clear to everyone else involved in the hand what my intention was.

Since he's the floor man, this creates a more true defensive vocalization of "I'm not all in." from me and he starts saying something about pushing my chips too far forward as if I either:

A. Don't understand the very basic rules of the game or
B. Am trying to pull some type of angle.

I'll just say I had JJ as the primary playable element of my hand based on this texture with some backdoor equity.

The whole time the dealer says nothing about asking me to move my chips forward, but the floor man does eventually allow me to play out the hand...

I would normally shove here based on stacks and info presented. My read is Sarah has a high equity hand when she knows I have a short stack but not my exact count and ask how much I have on a somewhat polarizing board. However, she doesn't often show up with a 5 here after vocalizing that question knowing I'm short but is asking to confirm her equity is good with good draws before putting me in..

Unfortunately, it becomes clear that I don't have a 5 or even a good hand as I'm suddenly having to defend that I'm not all in just because I haven't had a second to act or think about the hand yet... I end up check-folding just distracted from the situation, slightly tilted and give off the rest in the blinds two hands later...

Last edited by akashra777; 04-14-2019 at 01:48 PM.
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04-14-2019 , 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by akashra777
Just got here to Reno Friday night to play some of these RIU events which seems like a fun little series.

First event I played was the 6-max NLO8 which had a 7-handed final table.

Didn't really appreciate the floor manager Tim intervening with a hand I was in though. What do you guys think?

So 7 left, I'm in seat 7 (directly right of dealer), seat 1 Sarah (directly left of dealer) and I get in a hand after I decide to limp-call her raise pre (8k, and she made it 20k). I'm OOP vs her here, and decide to take A bit of an unconventional (limp/call) line at this level being short-stacked (2nd to shortest with the shortest player to my direct right and blinds approaching). Anyways everyone else folds and I have about a half pot left behind.

Now, while the dealer is laying the flop out 255 (two spades) Sarah ask me how much I have behind, and the dealer then ask me to push my chips forward. I do so enough so that Sarah in seat one can clearly see how much I have but with no other intent but to show her based on hers and the dealers request.

Now the floor man Tim kind of walking by and only seeing me push my chips forward suddenly uncalled for intervenes and announces something about me being all in although it was perfectly clear to everyone else involved in the hand what my intention was.

Since he's the floor man, this creates a more true defensive vocalization of "I'm not all in." from me and he starts saying something about pushing my chips too far forward as if I either:

A. Don't understand the very basic rules of the game or
B. Am trying to pull some type of angle.

I'll just say I had JJ as the primary playable element of my hand based on this texture with some backdoor equity.

The whole time the dealer says nothing about asking me to move my chips forward, but the floor man does eventually allow me to play out the hand...

I would normally shove here based on stacks and info presented. My read is Sarah has a high equity hand when she knows I have a short stack but not my exact count and ask how much I have on a somewhat polarizing board. However, she doesn't often show up with a 5 here after vocalizing that question knowing I'm short but is asking to confirm her equity is good with good draws before putting me in..

Unfortunately, it becomes clear that I don't have a 5 or even a good hand as I'm suddenly having to defend that I'm not all in just because I haven't had a second to act or think about the hand yet... I end up check-folding just distracted from the situation, slightly tilted and give off the rest in the blinds two hands later...
You had JJ and folded on a 552 board?
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04-14-2019 , 11:33 PM
There are so many weird things about this situation. 1) you had roughly 6BB and limped with JJ. 2) you flatted for about 40% of your stack with JJ. 3) you seemed upset about the prospect of being all in with JJ on a 552 board having invested 40% of your stack and only having 4BB remaining. 4) you folded an over pair with 4BB left because a pre-flop raiser asked you how much you had left.

All that being said, I have never in my entire career heard of a floor person wandering around and randomly making a ruling at a table he/she was not called to and where they had no idea what was going on. That would be exhibiting horrible judgement.

I have also never heard of a dealer asking a player to move his/her chips so they can be seen and then sitting silent while the floor rules that movement constitutes a bet. I mean that’s like the most incompetent thing I have ever heard of.

But everything about this situation seems really odd, so I guess anything is possible. So, either this is not at all how things went down or you were involved in one of the most bizarre hands ever played in tournament poker.
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04-15-2019 , 02:16 AM
Oh Lol... I never mentioned this is a NLO8 tournament. Just got 2nd in the HORSE tourney the next day (tonight). I'll prob delete this shortly. . just kind of happened but a mix of things, don't think anyone's fault specifically really revisiting...
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04-22-2019 , 03:56 AM
How do you check fold, if the floor person said you were all in?
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04-22-2019 , 05:54 PM
If someone asks for a chip count I would simply move my arms or hands if they are obstructing the dealers or an opponents' view. I wouldn't do anything that could be percieved as an all in such as moving chips forward. If the dealer did specifically instruct you to push chips forward they should speak up in this situation but they shouldn't have asked you to move your stack in the first place.
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04-23-2019 , 04:56 PM
Never seen a floor boss sua sponte inject himself into something at a table without being asked. Never seen a dealer ask a player to push/move chips. Dealer should have immediately spoken up to say she asked you to move chips so other player could see them and that you were not acting (all-in or otherwise).

Also not sure why she was asking you for a chip count when it was your turn to act -- not hers! I think my response would be to say "I'll let the dealer count them all for you if I decide to push them across the line" and otherwise done nothing to show her my stack. When it's her turn to act, she can ask again.
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