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Old 06-17-2012, 03:40 AM   #101
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No worries about that--1k's are running all the time now, maybe with a small wait...
Any chance they'll offer 5k sngs near the 50k Players Championship?
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Old 06-17-2012, 03:20 PM   #102
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Just as an update, everyone had me worried about selling lammers from the satellites, but it was really simple for me. I just got in line for the registration and asked people around me. It probably helped that it was the 1k event so there were a healthy amount of people around.

It's probably easier to pull this off during an event with more players since there is a larger pool to sell to and security has to worry about more bodies. Try selling them in line and then leave.
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Old 06-17-2012, 04:15 PM   #103
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How can you talk about ICM in a winner-take-all satellite? There is no difference between tournament equity and chip equity at any point in the tournament, unlike a standard SNG, where the marginal value of your last chip when down to four players is enormous.
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Old 06-17-2012, 05:38 PM   #104
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It's chopped 90% of the time 2 or 3way.
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Old 06-17-2012, 06:06 PM   #105
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It's chopped 90% of the time 2 or 3way.
Your WTA strategy is still necessary bc your value in the chop is based on your chip stack, not laddering through preset prizes
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Old 06-17-2012, 08:37 PM   #106
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How can you talk about ICM in a winner-take-all satellite? There is no difference between tournament equity and chip equity at any point in the tournament, unlike a standard SNG, where the marginal value of your last chip when down to four players is enormous.
The mega satellites are not winner-take-all if they get enough players for more than one seat...
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Old 06-17-2012, 11:23 PM   #107
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I think he's referring to mtt's not sng type sattys. I think this should be my approach in the mtt play loose early and try to flop a set and hope some fish will gift me their stack then tighten up as inds get higher
Meant SNG's.

Like I said, haven't played a WSOP live SNG, so wasn't familiar w/ the exact structure. Concept still applies, but instead of "first few levels" substitute "first level".

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Old 06-18-2012, 05:41 PM   #108
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Re: Wsop sattalite advice

MoreDeadMoney: The Venetian STTS pay 2 places (equal split). So when there are 3 people left and I have 10-15 BB's do you feel it's right to ever raise fold instead of pushing all in? They are sooo passive. Your going to be crushed if you raise and someone shoves over. Losing there is disastrous.

At the Rio where it's winner take all, I would have no qualms insta-shoving the hands on the pushbot chart.

Also---I have the Rio and Venetian info. Can someone post the Wynn STT payouts, structure etc. Thanks!

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Here's my standard SNG Strategy. This IMHO works especially well in satellite's where multiple people win the same prize - (ie 2 people get an entry and neither gets anything extra for winning).

1. Play super, super tight early. Setmine and play for a big hand. Don't ever go to your death with a one pair hand early. If you are one of the first two people knocked out, you probably (but not always) did something dumb.

2. In the mid stages, don't play speculative hands. Suited Connectors or worse. You simply don't have the odds to make calls to continue draws. Only play big hands - ABC poker.

3. Late in the game (15bb's or less) play solid ICM poker. If you don't know about this, google pushbot charts or read Kill Everyone. This strategy is pretty standard for MTT's but is applicable for the SNG end game as well.

In short, patience is key early, which buys you a nitty/tight table image for when you have to start making plays late.

Good Luck!

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Old 06-18-2012, 11:26 PM   #109
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MoreDeadMoney: The Venetian STTS pay 2 places (equal split). So when there are 3 people left and I have 10-15 BB's do you feel it's right to ever raise fold instead of pushing all in? They are sooo passive. Your going to be crushed if you raise and someone shoves over. Losing there is disastrous.

At the Rio where it's winner take all, I would have no qualms insta-shoving the hands on the pushbot chart.

Also---I have the Rio and Venetian info. Can someone post the Wynn STT payouts, structure etc. Thanks!

CD
A lot depends on relative stack size on how I'm playing at that stage. In general it is my goal NOT to be involved in a decisive hand, especially if the other players don't "get it".

However, I could min raise with garbage from the button vs blinds that don't defend and then fold to a shove.

Typically, unless i've observed such a player that won't defend, I'm probably just playing push/fold and not committing chips then folding though.

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Old 06-19-2012, 11:42 AM   #110
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Yea. I've been really trying to pay attention to individual player tendencies instead of just going with hard and fast rules. Played 6 now. ITM in 4 so I'd say your advice has helped. Owe you a free beer.

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Old 06-21-2012, 01:41 PM   #111
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Can anyone confirm that they are not running ANY $1k sats to the ME (other than 7/6-7/9)? Thanks.
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Old 06-21-2012, 01:46 PM   #112
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Can anyone confirm that they are not running ANY $1k sats to the ME (other than 7/6-7/9)? Thanks.
Single table $1ks run all the time. I think you're right about megas though.
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Old 06-21-2012, 03:06 PM   #113
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Are there any WSOP main event sattys with added money or seats around town? I'm linking 20% payouts since I'm a nit and almost always make top 20%
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Old 06-22-2012, 01:16 PM   #114
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Does anyone have an idea as to how many entries the $1,060 Main Event Mega Satellite will likely have on July 6?

Would this be better value over the $550 Main Event Mega Satellite held also on July 6?
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Old 06-22-2012, 02:52 PM   #115
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Does anyone have an idea as to how many entries the $1,060 Main Event Mega Satellite will likely have on July 6?

Would this be better value over the $550 Main Event Mega Satellite held also on July 6?
Tons of people is the answer. There is also a $2080 on those days as well. Play the highest one you can afford for a better shot at a seat.
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Old 06-22-2012, 08:33 PM   #116
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Tons of people is the answer. There is also a $2080 on those days as well. Play the highest one you can afford for a better shot at a seat.
Would it be better to play a couple of the $550 megas or play one of the more expensive megas?
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:19 PM   #117
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Is there going to be a satty to the 50k today?
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:48 PM   #118
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Has anyone played the 550 main event satelites yet? How soft are they and how long do they take?
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Old 06-23-2012, 04:57 PM   #119
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Is there going to be a satty to the 50k today?
http://www.wsop.com/2012/satellites/...nship_MEGA.pdf
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Old 06-23-2012, 08:43 PM   #120
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Anyone have links to structure sheet for the SNGs at the Rio this year for the WSOP events?
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Old 06-24-2012, 02:15 AM   #121
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Also---I have the Rio and Venetian info. Can someone post the Wynn STT payouts, structure etc. Thanks!
I was at the Wynn last week and asked about the STT sats - I was told that there had been 3 in the last 24 hours! I only wound up playing one event there and played the remainder at WSOP / DSE (oh, and 1 at Binions).
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Old 06-24-2012, 03:57 PM   #122
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

ty

Anyone use SnG Wizard? I just got it (yea I'm late eh!). I wanted to duplicate the Venetian STT structure/payouts and use Quizzer mode. Is there a template game on stars or another network that would match the VD so I can start using the trainer?

Going to go look for a video tutorial.
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Old 06-26-2012, 01:06 AM   #123
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Does anyone know if they will be running Ante Only satellites tomorrow (Tuesday)? I'm playing in the $1500 Event on Wednesday, and I was hoping to get some experience in the Ante Only format.
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:35 AM   #124
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Has anyone been playing the STT satties? Has the situation wrt selling the lammers improved from what I posted a few weeks ago? Or are the WSOP Gestapo still lurking everywhere, ready to pounce?
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Old 06-26-2012, 02:27 PM   #125
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Had an interesting situation. Went all in and lost and I only had 25 chips left. I tripled to 75 but then blinds went up to 200 400 so they race off the greens but with 75 I'm not guaranteed to get an orange so it seemed like I could be eliminated by the race. But floor said you can't be eliminated so if I know race is coming next hand w 25 chips I should fold AA. I kinda wish it was the other way around and you could get eliminated by the race
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