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Old 06-09-2012, 08:19 PM   #76
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Re: Wsop sattalite advice

I disagree. Live players don't play like online players. Especially with the fast live structure and small starting stack.
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Old 06-10-2012, 12:44 AM   #77
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I was actually thinking of the 2k multi table satalite but I'm definatley going to buy those books. Thanks for the advice
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Old 06-10-2012, 03:06 AM   #78
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Re: Wsop sattalite advice

OP brings back memories....

I was heads up for the 5th grade spelling bee championship.

The other kid said, "s-a-t-e-l-i-t-e." I said, "s-a-t-t-e-l-i-t-e."

The spelling bee was ruled a push.
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Old 06-11-2012, 06:05 PM   #79
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

How are the STT sats? Does the structure allow decent play? How are the players?
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Old 06-11-2012, 07:44 PM   #80
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The problem is that you have to get the players you're trying to sell lammers to, to go to that space.
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I suggested in another thread that someone familiar with the Rio designate some space where 2p2ers can discretely conduct these transactions out of the watchful eye of the suits. We could have a thread here to arrange things.
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Old 06-11-2012, 11:18 PM   #81
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Re: Wsop sattalite advice

Here's my standard SNG Strategy. This IMHO works especially well in satellite's where multiple people win the same prize - (ie 2 people get an entry and neither gets anything extra for winning).

1. Play super, super tight early. Setmine and play for a big hand. Don't ever go to your death with a one pair hand early. If you are one of the first two people knocked out, you probably (but not always) did something dumb.

2. In the mid stages, don't play speculative hands. Suited Connectors or worse. You simply don't have the odds to make calls to continue draws. Only play big hands - ABC poker.

3. Late in the game (15bb's or less) play solid ICM poker. If you don't know about this, google pushbot charts or read Kill Everyone. This strategy is pretty standard for MTT's but is applicable for the SNG end game as well.

In short, patience is key early, which buys you a nitty/tight table image for when you have to start making plays late.

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Old 06-12-2012, 01:22 AM   #82
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How are the STT sats? Does the structure allow decent play? How are the players?
I'm curious too.
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:05 AM   #83
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How are the STT sats? Does the structure allow decent play? How are the players?
Lower buy-ins are pretty fast. Start 1k, blinds 25/25, then 25/50, 50/100, 100/200, 150/300 (I think), 200/400. Levels are 15 mins.

Players are weak and these are vey beatable. Small as sample, as played a few over a few days, but my ROI was > 100% (pretty sure I chopped every time when down to last 2).
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Old 06-12-2012, 03:18 AM   #84
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

What would be the best way (hourly) for a live mid-stakes NLH player to grind up his roll at the WSOP?

Would you guys vote cash games or single table SNGs? My buddy has about $3000 to his name and is coming down for 3 weeks. Not sure what to tell him. I'd say he is equally as good in cash and SNGs. What about the daily 2pm DS?
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Old 06-12-2012, 07:02 AM   #85
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Here's my standard SNG Strategy. This IMHO works especially well in satellite's where multiple people win the same prize - (ie 2 people get an entry and neither gets anything extra for winning).

1. Play super, super tight early. Setmine and play for a big hand. Don't ever go to your death with a one pair hand early. If you are one of the first two people knocked out, you probably (but not always) did something dumb.

2. In the mid stages, don't play speculative hands. Suited Connectors or worse. You simply don't have the odds to make calls to continue draws. Only play big hands - ABC poker.

3. Late in the game (15bb's or less) play solid ICM poker. If you don't know about this, google pushbot charts or read Kill Everyone. This strategy is pretty standard for MTT's but is applicable for the SNG end game as well.

In short, patience is key early, which buys you a nitty/tight table image for when you have to start making plays late.

Good Luck!

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Thank you this seems like very good advice!
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Old 06-12-2012, 11:32 AM   #86
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Why do the structure pdfs for the ME satellites say that they pay out one seat for $10,200 in buyins and not for every $10,000? Is that extra $200 just a hidden rake? I'm thinking of playing one of these while I'm in town next week, and this probably won't keep me from playing it if the fields are as soft as some of you say, but this is kind of shady isn't it?
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Old 06-12-2012, 12:11 PM   #87
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Why do the structure pdfs for the ME satellites say that they pay out one seat for $10,200 in buyins and not for every $10,000? Is that extra $200 just a hidden rake? I'm thinking of playing one of these while I'm in town next week, and this probably won't keep me from playing it if the fields are as soft as some of you say, but this is kind of shady isn't it?
They give you 10,000 in tournament lammers and 200 cash, presumably so you can tip the dealer.
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Old 06-12-2012, 04:45 PM   #88
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They give you 10,000 in tournament lammers and 200 cash, presumably so you can tip the dealer.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:21 AM   #89
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Anyone have experience with how long the $330 and $550 mega sats to main are lasting?
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:10 PM   #90
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Thank you this seems like very good advice!
while a lot of people who master these satty's would completely disagree... at the start is when the worst players give away their chips and if you double/triple up you could literally cruise to the bubble needing just to win one or two flips to score a main event seat. that's how a friend of mine does it and he's won something like 10 main event seats in the last 2-3 years.
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:11 PM   #91
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What would be the best way (hourly) for a live mid-stakes NLH player to grind up his roll at the WSOP?

Would you guys vote cash games or single table SNGs? My buddy has about $3000 to his name and is coming down for 3 weeks. Not sure what to tell him. I'd say he is equally as good in cash and SNGs. What about the daily 2pm DS?
$3K for 3 weeks grinding midstakes cash during high-variance WSOP is literally suicide, that's my advice... and if he's any good like you said then he should have a lotttttt more to "his name".
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Old 06-15-2012, 01:57 PM   #92
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Anyone have experience with how long the $330 and $550 mega sats to main are lasting?
I would estimate the 330 being done 10-11pm and the 550 being done around 3am.
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Old 06-15-2012, 05:48 PM   #93
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I would estimate the 330 being done 10-11pm and the 550 being done around 3am.
Thanks. Just realized that the mega schedule when I arrive is all $550 which I actually prefer. Plus they run at 10 and 4.
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Old 06-16-2012, 01:02 AM   #94
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while a lot of people who master these satty's would completely disagree... at the start is when the worst players give away their chips and if you double/triple up you could literally cruise to the bubble needing just to win one or two flips to score a main event seat. that's how a friend of mine does it and he's won something like 10 main event seats in the last 2-3 years.
Full disclosure. What I posted is how I played online SNG's. Never played WSOP satellites, but pretty sure I'd base my play on what I wrote.

That said, I'm not saying you shouldn't adjust your game if some spewy players show up at your table as 663366 suggests. You should definitely play early (keeping pots under control, in my opinion), and I'd personally play more hands if there are obvious fish involved. However, I still think it's a pretty big mathematical/ICM error if you go out early by getting involved in flips or other high variance situations in the first few levels.

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Old 06-16-2012, 04:40 AM   #95
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Playing the Rio SNGs to pick up WSOP lammers - advice?

My friend Rock is playing in the Bracelet Bounty event. I was thinking about playing in a couple of the SNG sats & Supersats that award $500 lammers. I might play in the Bracelet Bounty if I win one, but probably not - I'm more likely to just sell them for cash.

Anyone play in these games? I hear they're soft, but what advice do you have?
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Old 06-16-2012, 09:13 PM   #96
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Full disclosure. What I posted is how I played online SNG's. Never played WSOP satellites, but pretty sure I'd base my play on what I wrote.

That said, I'm not saying you shouldn't adjust your game if some spewy players show up at your table as 663366 suggests. You should definitely play early (keeping pots under control, in my opinion), and I'd personally play more hands if there are obvious fish involved. However, I still think it's a pretty big mathematical/ICM error if you go out early by getting involved in flips or other high variance situations in the first few levels.

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First few levels? That's all there are. Most of them are finished in 5 levels.

You don't get enough chips to splash around in a lot of pots.
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Old 06-16-2012, 10:58 PM   #97
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First few levels? That's all there are. Most of them are finished in 5 levels.

You don't get enough chips to splash around in a lot of pots.
I think he's referring to mtt's not sng type sattys. I think this should be my approach in the mtt play loose early and try to flop a set and hope some fish will gift me their stack then tighten up as inds get higher
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Old 06-17-2012, 12:08 AM   #98
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Really excited about these. I'm hoping some 1k+ sngs launch when I get out there within a week
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Old 06-17-2012, 01:32 AM   #99
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Really excited about these. I'm hoping some 1k+ sngs launch when I get out there within a week
No worries about that--1k's are running all the time now, maybe with a small wait...
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Old 06-17-2012, 02:12 AM   #100
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I think he's referring to mtt's not sng type sattys. I think this should be my approach in the mtt play loose early and try to flop a set and hope some fish will gift me their stack then tighten up as inds get higher
He was talking about SNG's earlier.
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