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Old 06-01-2012, 01:40 AM   #26
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I'm getting there tomorrow and can't remember how the mega's work. If I win a seat to the 5k Stud Saturday night mega do I get a seat or get 5k in lammers. Just can't remember.

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They were doing stud STT's too, if that's your bag.
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Old 06-01-2012, 02:03 AM   #27
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You can use it for anything, but the extra goes into the pockets of Apollo Global. No change given.

Although I've heard you can buy multiple people in with a single chip. Verify that, because they did not allow that in the past.
Has anyone tried to buy multiple Single Table Satellite seats with one 500 lamer, like 4 of the $125s or 3 of the $175, and then use the buy-ins throughout the day?

I'll be there in about 10 days for a week, and will be grinding STS for a day. This would be a great way to use the lamers, although I am planning on playing two $1500 events.
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Old 06-01-2012, 03:21 AM   #28
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I doubt you can do that because you have to pay for them right before they start. You can't pay for one that hasn't been "set up" yet. I suppose you might could pay for a 175 and a 325 and hope that the 375 takes awhile to fill up. Wouldn't cost you anything to ask, but you might well get 3 different answers from 3 different suits. They more or less make up the rules as they go.
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Old 06-02-2012, 12:00 AM   #29
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How many for the 75 mega turbos @9am? And how long does this last?
So how do these sat's work? you buy in for $75...then what are the payouts like? if you finish top 3 will you have enough to buy in for a 1.5k event or 1k event? can someone please explain this to me? like is top 10% paid x amount? maybe a hypothetical example? average runners on the weekends?

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Old 06-02-2012, 12:15 AM   #30
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

I didn't play any STTs this year or last year, but in the past I've come up to a table that was buying in, say a $175 SNG, dropped down a lammer and scooped $325 out of the cash pile and had no problems. Seen other people do it as well.
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Old 06-02-2012, 02:22 AM   #31
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So how do these sat's work? you buy in for $75...then what are the payouts like? if you finish top 3 will you have enough to buy in for a 1.5k event or 1k event? can someone please explain this to me? like is top 10% paid x amount? maybe a hypothetical example? average runners on the weekends?

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They add up the prize pool and figure out a payout that makes a little sense. One I saw this week had a small turnout and I think they paid top four or five a $550 "prize", probably because $500 lammers are the smallest they have, and remaining cash goes to the last paid place(s).

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I didn't play any STTs this year or last year, but in the past I've come up to a table that was buying in, say a $175 SNG, dropped down a lammer and scooped $325 out of the cash pile and had no problems. Seen other people do it as well.
No cash pile. You buy in at the cage. It's been that way for at least a couple years.
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Old 06-02-2012, 03:57 AM   #32
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Has anyone tried to buy multiple Single Table Satellite seats with one 500 lamer, like 4 of the $125s or 3 of the $175, and then use the buy-ins throughout the day?

I'll be there in about 10 days for a week, and will be grinding STS for a day. This would be a great way to use the lamers, although I am planning on playing two $1500 events.
You can def. buy multiple stt tickets at 1 time with a single lammer (3 x 175, 4 x 125, etc.) The single table tickets are good anytime and actually saves you the hassle of registering every time if you kept some on "reserve". I find having "preregistered" tickets very convenient for grabbing the last seat of a satellite because people run off with seat cards so often.
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Old 06-02-2012, 04:04 AM   #33
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Re: Rio WSOP satellite thread

Are there any Single Table SnGs that allow you to buy in directly with cash from the dealer?
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:18 AM   #34
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You can def. buy multiple stt tickets at 1 time with a single lammer (3 x 175, 4 x 125, etc.) The single table tickets are good anytime and actually saves you the hassle of registering every time if you kept some on "reserve". I find having "preregistered" tickets very convenient for grabbing the last seat of a satellite because people run off with seat cards so often.
Confirmed - this is what I've been doing as well.
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Old 06-02-2012, 08:23 PM   #35
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If my ultimate goal is to get into a Main Event tournament what is my best option to go about doing so without spending $10,000. Should I go to the RIO and play in the $75 satellites? If I do that and hypothetically end up winning, then do you win a seat or just get tournament chips for a main event? Need lots of help!
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:07 PM   #36
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If my ultimate goal is to get into a Main Event tournament what is my best option to go about doing so without spending $10,000. Should I go to the RIO and play in the $75 satellites? If I do that and hypothetically end up winning, then do you win a seat or just get tournament chips for a main event? Need lots of help!

Just grind SnGs and megas the 75 is a crapshoot its soft in the beginning but after levels 3,4 its just a jam fest. They're semi fun though and last around 2-2:30 hrs if your up in the morning mine as well try a few but I wouldnt go out of my way, and the rake is 20
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:15 PM   #37
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Just grind SnGs and megas the 75 is a crapshoot its soft in the beginning but after levels 3,4 its just a jam fest. They're semi fun though and last around 2-2:30 hrs if your up in the morning mine as well try a few but I wouldnt go out of my way, and the rake is 20
Are the SnGs at the RIO? Or are you just saying to grind any SnGs at various casinos to just save up money to enter the $10,000 buy in?
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:39 PM   #38
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The one this morning had 58 and lasted 14 levels.

RE: The selling of satellite lammers - they are really cracking down on the "no selling" thing. A lot of the security guys don't give a crap, but there are plenty that do. There is a suit or security every 50 feet just about no matter where you are. I was making a sale and a suit started yelling at me. As hard as it was to sell, I think this is my last trip playing the satellite game.
This sucks.... It is dumb how they work the lammers. I can understand why they give them out, but do not understand why they even remotely try to enforce the no selling them.
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Old 06-02-2012, 09:52 PM   #39
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Are the SnGs at the RIO? Or are you just saying to grind any SnGs at various casinos to just save up money to enter the $10,000 buy in?
there at the rio the STTs
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Old 06-02-2012, 10:33 PM   #40
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If I do that and hypothetically end up winning, then do you win a seat or just get tournament chips for a main event? Need lots of help!
wildgrind, sounds like you haven't been to the Rio during WSOP, so let's start with the basics. The different rooms of the convention center wing are divided into different playing areas. While most areas are for bracelet events, there's also a section for cash games, daily deepstack tourneys/mega satellites (non-bracelet events) and another area dedicated to SnG's.

You go up to a podium in the SnG area and guys will be standing around waiting for the next one to start. Go to the podium and ask the guy standing there what's up. He will be unfriendly and unhelpful, but do not be deterred. Eventually you will find out what you need to know from him or some nearby middle aged balding guy who sees that you look lost and probably looked like that 10 minutes earlier when he first got to the podium.

Chances are there will be 6 or 7 guys waiting to start one of the lower buyin SnG's (75, 125 or 175) and you can get on that list. If you don't get into that one, another will get going soon enough, most times of the day. You will follow the rest of your new tablemates around the edge of the room to the WSOP "cage" inside that room and register for the SnG, then follow them to the table.

Now here's where it gets interesting. Most likely, someone will propose a side bet on the match. I'll discuss that in a second. Let's say you signed up for a $125, with 9 players that's $1125, of which Caesar's Entertainment will take $125. This leaves a prize pool of $1000. The winner will receive, not cash, but 2 $500 LAMMERS...a word you see everyone mentioning here in the forum. These are what you referred to as "tournament chips", they can only be used to buy into tournaments at the Rio. However, if you go to the tournament registration line, you can usually sell them. Likewise, if you are buying into a bracelet event, don't be surprised if some hoody-wearing SnG grinder comes up to you and tries to sell his lammers to you.

It is okay to buy/sell these (not officially, but it is accepted practice), but whatever you do, trade them ONLY AT FACE VALUE, otherwise you will aid in disrupting the delicate balance of the WSOP economy and risk being called a d-bag by most people on this forum.

Now, in most cases, its not as simple as what I just described. When you go n sit at your sit n go, one of your tablemates, either the guy from Jersey with the chest hair and gold chain or the over-caffeinated hoody wearing kid from California who looks to young to be in a casino or the very clean cut looking older guy who you will find out too late knows more about poker than the rest of the table combined...one of these guys will propose the side bet. Here you will asked if you want to take part in a side bet for anywhere from oh, $20 to $50. You ARE NOT REQUIRED to take part, but if you do, everyone interested hands the dealer the cash and he holds it and pays it out to the winner. Let's say everyone but the oldest nit at the table and the young busto kid who paid for the SnG with his buddy's last few dollars agree to $20. Now, there's an extra $140 bucks of cash in the prize pool, along with 2 $500 chips. Chances are, when it gets down to 3 people, a deal will be made, as that seems to be common practice at these things.
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Are the SnGs at the RIO? Or are you just saying to grind any SnGs at various casinos to just save up money to enter the $10,000 buy in?
...or you could just do this.

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Old 06-02-2012, 11:21 PM   #41
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You can def. buy multiple stt tickets at 1 time with a single lammer (3 x 175, 4 x 125, etc.) The single table tickets are good anytime and actually saves you the hassle of registering every time if you kept some on "reserve". I find having "preregistered" tickets very convenient for grabbing the last seat of a satellite because people run off with seat cards so often.
How do they know ahead of time what tables they will be playing?
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Old 06-02-2012, 11:35 PM   #42
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This sucks.... It is dumb how they work the lammers. I can understand why they give them out, but do not understand why they even remotely try to enforce the no selling them.
Yup. I talked to a few floor and seciruty guys that couldn't care less if you sell them. I talked to a floor guy that thinks it's pretty stupid to stop people from selling them. He understands that the room traffic would be a lot lower if not for the players that are grinding the STT's.

Some of the suits are completely ignorant. They are just CET employees that were told to stop people from selling lammers. They have no idea what they are. The suit that yelled at me kept telling me to go to the main tournament registration (not the STT cage) and get a refund for my lammer!
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:01 AM   #43
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You go up to a podium in the SnG area and guys will be standing around waiting for the next one to start. Go to the podium and ask the guy standing there what's up. He will be unfriendly and unhelpful, but do not be deterred. Eventually you will find out what you need to know from him or some nearby middle aged balding guy who sees that you look lost and probably looked like that 10 minutes earlier when he first got to the podium.
Nah, I already came back fron Vegas.

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Chances are there will be 6 or 7 guys waiting to start one of the lower buyin SnG's (75, 125 or 175) and you can get on that list. If you don't get into that one, another will get going soon enough, most times of the day. You will follow the rest of your new tablemates around the edge of the room to the WSOP "cage" inside that room and register for the SnG, then follow them to the table.
That's how it used to be. Now, the podium has little boxes holding seat cards. The boxes are labelled 175, 525, etc. The seat cards have the table number and seat number. Just grab a card, go to the cage and pay, and go to the table.

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The winner will receive, not cash, but 2 $500 LAMMERS...a word you see everyone mentioning here in the forum. These are what you referred to as "tournament chips", they can only be used to buy into tournaments at the Rio. However, if you go to the tournament registration line, you can usually sell them.
That's how it used to be. Now, there is security posted near registration to make sure you do not sell them. You have to be really creative to get one sold out of sight of all the WSOP Gestapo.

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It is okay to buy/sell these (not officially, but it is accepted practice), but whatever you do, trade them ONLY AT FACE VALUE, otherwise you will aid in disrupting the delicate balance of the WSOP economy and risk being called a d-bag by most people on this forum.
That's how it used to be. Now, the WSOP Gestapo actively tries to prevent the sale of lammers.

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Now, in most cases, its not as simple as what I just described. When you go n sit at your sit n go, one of your tablemates, either the guy from Jersey with the chest hair and gold chain or the over-caffeinated hoody wearing kid from California who looks to young to be in a casino or the very clean cut looking older guy who you will find out too late knows more about poker than the rest of the table combined...one of these guys will propose the side bet. Here you will asked if you want to take part in a side bet for anywhere from oh, $20 to $50. You ARE NOT REQUIRED to take part, but if you do, everyone interested hands the dealer the cash and he holds it and pays it out to the winner.
Uh, no, the dealer won't have anything to do with any side bets or deals.
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Old 06-03-2012, 12:34 AM   #44
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Nah, I already came back fron Vegas.
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That's how it used to be. Now, the podium has little boxes holding seat cards. The boxes are labelled 175, 525, etc. The seat cards have the table number and seat number. Just grab a card, go to the cage and pay, and go to the table.
Thanks for explaining that, i was trying to keep it simple and not explain the whole thing with the cards...haven't been there yet this year, I stood near the box til the guy at the podium told us to go to the cage.
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That's how it used to be. Now, there is security posted near registration to make sure you do not sell them. You have to be really creative to get one sold out of sight of all the WSOP Gestapo

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That's how it used to be. Now, the WSOP Gestapo actively tries to prevent the sale of lammers.
Though, I'm guessing they will never completely eliminate the trading of lammers.

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Uh, no, the dealer won't have anything to do with any side bets or deals.
Has that changed for this year? Maybe it depends on the dealer? Last year, it was kind of hush-hush, or maybe i'm not remembering correctly, but I thought the dealer just folded up the cash and put it off to the side.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:10 AM   #45
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I've never seen a dealer do that. And more than one dealer this year explicitly avoided any chop talk and said they weren't allowed to get involved.
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Old 06-03-2012, 02:26 AM   #46
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They pay you cash and lammers 125 = 1k lammers 120 cash, I've seen more people play out the stts than chop
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Old 06-03-2012, 04:14 PM   #47
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Side bets:

The dealers never hold the money for side bets. One of the players usually makes a piece of paper with what seats are "in" for the last longer. Then if the person who holds the money busts, he gives the money to someone else on the list. I have never seen anyone be dishonest, but always watch your money.

There are last longers for the table.. and individual last longers when people dont want to partake on the size. IE: some people wont do last longers if you get 7 or 8 people because basically you are just adding to the prize pool so they will do heads up last longers.

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I think all STT pay out some cash. I would think mainly so you can tip the dealer.

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Most STT I have played end up in chops. Sometimes even, sometimes one person gets one lamer the other gets two (IE in 175 buy in and one person has 2/3 to 3/4 of the chips).
The dealers do not get involved.
The last longers get chopped sometimes too if say there were 6 players in at 100, 2 players left will sometimes chop 300 each.
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Old 06-03-2012, 05:32 PM   #48
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There are last longers for the table.. and individual last longers when people dont want to partake on the size. IE: some people wont do last longers if you get 7 or 8 people because basically you are just adding to the prize pool so they will do heads up last longers.
This is true, but they should. The extra money is like playing a bigger STT but with no juice.

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I think all STT pay out some cash. I would think mainly so you can tip the dealer.
Zackly. They hit you up for tips at every opportunity.

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Most STT I have played end up in chops. Sometimes even, sometimes one person gets one lamer the other gets two (IE in 175 buy in and one person has 2/3 to 3/4 of the chips).
The dealers do not get involved.
The last longers get chopped sometimes too if say there were 6 players in at 100, 2 players left will sometimes chop 300 each.
The smaller ones, 175 and below, get chopped much less frequently, especially on weekends. There are more pure tourists or townies playing, and they don't understand variance and think they deserve the whole thing if they are up in chips. Or as aften happens, one player is getting ridiculously lucky and couln't lose a pot if he tried. He thinks it's easy game, so he doesn't want to chop.
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Old 06-03-2012, 10:03 PM   #49
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how many players for the 330's lately
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Old 06-04-2012, 05:48 AM   #50
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Can you also get lammers instead of cash after cashing in a bracelet event?

I ask because they officially don't have cash value - hence tax-free.
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