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Playing WSOP Main Event for the first time this summer? Which Day 1 do you suggest? Playing WSOP Main Event for the first time this summer? Which Day 1 do you suggest?

03-06-2023 , 11:28 AM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Background - fellow old fart played Main event in 2006 and then again last year 2022. I was 69 last year.

1) Start at level 1 - field is at its weakest and it will take you some time for your own nerves to settle down
2) Pick any start day that you get a 1 day break before day 2 -- You will be amped up that night after bagging day 1 chips. Its a wide eye bucket list experience to begin with and it will take the first level for you to get comfortable. After a few levels it just becomes poker.
3) You are going to lose chips and run card dead ACCEPT IT and don't press in day 2 . Patient aggression. You will start worrying unnecessarily about getting down to 50 BB then 40BB if you are a typical rec player....... DON'T ! just play cards.
4) Day 2 table draw is critical - still a lot of so so players but if you happen to run into a tough table ............ well that is just poker.
5) Day 3 Just bring your A game and see what happens.
6) When you say ALL IN --- and you will --my suggestion is that it's not a SNAP decision..... you may only get to say it once.

This is bucket list so ENJOY IT but do everything possible to stay FOCUSED and really watch the play at your table and THINK why they made the plays they did. You are not going to be up against GTO experts for the vast majority of your play time.

The main is a grind with wonderful 2 hour levels so pick your spots whether that is 89 suited or AA and whatever happens NO REGRETS.
As of now all Day 1's have at least one day rest before the Day 2 that applies to their Day 1. There also is a day of rest for the Day 1A/1B/1C after their Day 2. The Day 1D Day 2 is followed by Day 3.

If you play in Day 1A you get 3 days of rest before Day 2 and then another before Day 3. Similarly with Day 1B you get 2 days of rest before Day 2 and then a day off before day 3.
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03-06-2023 , 12:10 PM
That's great advice Mr. McCoy. And much of it applies to all the other tournaments at the WSOP as well.
Good luck to you if you play the main again this year!


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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Background - fellow old fart played Main event in 2006 and then again last year 2022. I was 69 last year.

1) Start at level 1 - field is at its weakest and it will take you some time for your own nerves to settle down
2) Pick any start day that you get a 1 day break before day 2 -- You will be amped up that night after bagging day 1 chips. Its a wide eye bucket list experience to begin with and it will take the first level for you to get comfortable. After a few levels it just becomes poker.
3) You are going to lose chips and run card dead ACCEPT IT and don't press in day 2 . Patient aggression. You will start worrying unnecessarily about getting down to 50 BB then 40BB if you are a typical rec player....... DON'T ! just play cards.
4) Day 2 table draw is critical - still a lot of so so players but if you happen to run into a tough table ............ well that is just poker.
5) Day 3 Just bring your A game and see what happens.
6) When you say ALL IN --- and you will --my suggestion is that it's not a SNAP decision..... you may only get to say it once.

This is bucket list so ENJOY IT but do everything possible to stay FOCUSED and really watch the play at your table and THINK why they made the plays they did. You are not going to be up against GTO experts for the vast majority of your play time.

The main is a grind with wonderful 2 hour levels so pick your spots whether that is 89 suited or AA and whatever happens NO REGRETS.
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03-07-2023 , 02:16 AM
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Originally Posted by TheMick7
That's great advice Mr. McCoy. And much of it applies to all the other tournaments at the WSOP as well.
Good luck to you if you play the main again this year!
Thanks Mick - I've got all my personal bases covered this year. Two 10 night reservations June 20th - 29th and then July 3rd - 12th .

Hopefully this year's WSOP doesn't start out with Shingles again LOL and I get back to my 2021 results. Whether I play the Main will depend on either qualifying May 20 -21 locally or making a good run in one of my early events. I've had a good local start to the year and net +$5K so with luck by WSOP I will be starting with a $10K bankroll before I start touching my personal cash.

The Main Event has a special feel to it for a Rec player and I strongly advice anyone that can afford it to play it at least once but I would also strongly advice it NOT be the first event you play at the WSOP.

To truly appreciate Prime Rib you need to eat a few Hamburgers.
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03-11-2023 , 01:46 PM
Sounds like you have some real nice plans for the WSOP this year. Hopefully you continue to run well so that the main event is a free roll for you. And hopefully you run well health wise also, and avoid the shingles again

I'm planning to be out there from June 20-30 to play in the old man's tourney again, and the Millionaire Maker. Unfortunately I won't be playing the main this year, but I hope to in the not too distant future.


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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Thanks Mick - I've got all my personal bases covered this year. Two 10 night reservations June 20th - 29th and then July 3rd - 12th .

Hopefully this year's WSOP doesn't start out with Shingles again LOL and I get back to my 2021 results. Whether I play the Main will depend on either qualifying May 20 -21 locally or making a good run in one of my early events. I've had a good local start to the year and net +$5K so with luck by WSOP I will be starting with a $10K bankroll before I start touching my personal cash.

The Main Event has a special feel to it for a Rec player and I strongly advice anyone that can afford it to play it at least once but I would also strongly advice it NOT be the first event you play at the WSOP.

To truly appreciate Prime Rib you need to eat a few Hamburgers.
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03-15-2023 , 04:00 AM
I think I'd rather get after it for Day 2 and not have a day off in-between. Maybe a day off after Day 2.
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03-29-2023 , 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenesmus
Play the day that has the fewest non-Americans. More Americans = softer field. Find the day that most non-Americans are playing, and avoid that day.
And how would you possibly arrange that? 😎
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03-29-2023 , 01:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenesmus
Play the day that has the fewest non-Americans. More Americans = softer field. Find the day that most non-Americans are playing, and avoid that day.
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Originally Posted by WSOPeddie
And how would you possibly arrange that? 😎
Correct WSOP Peddie.

Not a proven statistic ! Even it’s , no way to figure out.

Last year ME result :Out of First 100 cashers 62 from USA
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03-30-2023 , 04:25 PM
I think I have said something similar in a previous thread,

But my preference for the WSOP ME has always been to play on Day 1A or Day1B. The main reason is that they are going to be far less busy than Day 1D. Day 1D will be an absolute zoo. Very crowded, long bathroom lines, long lines for every restaurant on your break.

But Day 1D has advantages if you are going to be flying in for the ME, you are probably going to fly in for the Wednesday night and play the Thursday morning and then minimize the time between days off and playing.
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03-31-2023 , 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by PhatPots
I think I have said something similar in a previous thread,

But my preference for the WSOP ME has always been to play on Day 1A or Day1B. The main reason is that they are going to be far less busy than Day 1D. Day 1D will be an absolute zoo. Very crowded, long bathroom lines, long lines for every restaurant on your break.

But Day 1D has advantages if you are going to be flying in for the ME, you are probably going to fly in for the Wednesday night and play the Thursday morning and then minimize the time between days off and playing.
Good point. The trade-off is adding nights(s) to hotel stay to play before 1D. I've always wondered -- how many nights do you book for the ME? Plan on lasting until day 4, or beyond that? I'm assuming that rooms would be available if you last more days than that as the field gets winnowed down?
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03-31-2023 , 08:26 PM
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Originally Posted by WSOPeddie
Good point. The trade-off is adding nights(s) to hotel stay to play before 1D. I've always wondered -- how many nights do you book for the ME? Plan on lasting until day 4, or beyond that? I'm assuming that rooms would be available if you last more days than that as the field gets winnowed down?
In the past I have planned to leave at night on Day 3. I haven't had issues extending my stay in the past. If you play Day 1A/Day1B and you are there with other people, then you spend those days relaxing or doing something with them.
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04-02-2023 , 10:05 PM
I would say reg the day that got most # of players last year. I assume the last day gets the biggest field.

As a comical note- I’ve noticed that on multi flight type events- the biggest stacks tend to generate around biggest field days. I know this is a goofy thing to say but just feel there is more value playing the flights with bigger fields. At local tourny recently- one flight got 200 players and another got 1k. The 1k flight yielded prolly a 140% chip leader vs the smaller field. Not a big deal but just feel there is more soft play when you get the bigger fields. For wsop main- I’m sure I would just go best day for your schedule bc the structure is amazing. Think last flight is prolly best though if it gets biggest # of players.
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04-03-2023 , 01:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
I’ve noticed that on multi flight type events- the biggest stacks tend to generate around biggest field days. I know this is a goofy thing to say but just feel there is more value playing the flights with bigger fields. At local tourny recently- one flight got 200 players and another got 1k. The 1k flight yielded prolly a 140% chip leader vs the smaller field. .
Well, in a larger sample size, there are more "lottery tickets" for someone to sun run really hard, so you would expect that. I don't know if it speaks to the softness. There are simply more people playing, so more chances for someone to go on a fluky heater.

I'm looking at maybe playing this year, and marking day 1D on the calendar because it would involve the shortest hotel stay. Those nights add up fast if you're not on some great rewards program status. Minimizing the overhead seems prudent, and there would still be a day off before day 2.
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04-03-2023 , 11:57 AM
As a comical note- I’ve noticed that on multi flight type events- the biggest stacks tend to generate around biggest field days. I know this is a goofy thing to say but just feel there is more value playing the flights with bigger fields. At local tourny recently- one flight got 200 players and another got 1k. The 1k flight yielded prolly a 140% chip leader vs the smaller field. Not a big deal but just feel there is more soft play when you get the bigger fields. For wsop main- I’m sure I would just go best day for your schedule bc the structure is amazing. Think last flight is prolly best though if it gets biggest # of players.

Really just looking at a "normal distribution" here, the larger the field size, the more extreme data points (big stacks) at the tailends of the curve.

That said, I almost always play 1D as it does seem the softest IMHO when I walk around the rooms the other days. There also seem to be the best mega sattelites those days also.
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04-03-2023 , 12:45 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
I would say reg the day that got most # of players last year. I assume the last day gets the biggest field.

As a comical note- I’ve noticed that on multi flight type events- the biggest stacks tend to generate around biggest field days. I know this is a goofy thing to say but just feel there is more value playing the flights with bigger fields. At local tourny recently- one flight got 200 players and another got 1k. The 1k flight yielded prolly a 140% chip leader vs the smaller field. Not a big deal but just feel there is more soft play when you get the bigger fields. For wsop main- I’m sure I would just go best day for your schedule bc the structure is amazing. Think last flight is prolly best though if it gets biggest # of players.
If the flights play down to the same exact % remaining, then there should be zero difference in average stack size. Whether there is a difference in max stack size, is likely pretty random, mathematically, but there could be some slight correlation based on a number of factors, especially with re-entry events. For example, players play differently in last flights. The action is different, as is how players treat short stacks, and this certainly could effect the stack size distribution.

Larger flights also often have other factors which are different. They often take longer because of the logistics of color-ups, table break downs and dealer scheduling. And many times, they do not even play down to the same exact % as earlier flights due to the allotted levels being reached.

As I, and others, have said before… by a wide margin, the biggest factor in one’s success at any tournament will be the table draw… especially the first table draw if tables do not break down quickly. And this is usually completely out of a player’s control. When it comes to choosing which flight to play, players should decide based on the things they can control… such as their schedule, and not worry so much about other things.
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04-03-2023 , 03:45 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
If the flights play down to the same exact % remaining, then there should be zero difference in average stack size. Whether there is a difference in max stack size, is likely pretty random, mathematically, but there could be some slight correlation based on a number of factors, especially with re-entry events. For example, players play differently in last flights. The action is different, as is how players treat short stacks, and this certainly could effect the stack size distribution.

Larger flights also often have other factors which are different. They often take longer because of the logistics of color-ups, table break downs and dealer scheduling. And many times, they do not even play down to the same exact % as earlier flights due to the allotted levels being reached.

As I, and others, have said before… by a wide margin, the biggest factor in one’s success at any tournament will be the table draw… especially the first table draw if tables do not break down quickly. And this is usually completely out of a player’s control. When it comes to choosing which flight to play, players should decide based on the things they can control… such as their schedule, and not worry so much about other things.
I agree table draw is huge but I’ve been at tables that are super soft and I run poor and never build steam. Idk I just feel more # players = more bad players and muppets that get through a lucky run where the punt chips later on. Obv more good players too- I just feel it’s best to play biggest field size when possible.

I know my comment was goofy- yea more players = more extreme outlier type chip building events. I still think more players tend to equate to more soft players which makes it better.
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04-03-2023 , 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
I agree table draw is huge but I’ve been at tables that are super soft and I run poor and never build steam. Idk I just feel more # players = more bad players and muppets that get through a lucky run where the punt chips later on. Obv more good players too- I just feel it’s best to play biggest field size when possible.

I know my comment was goofy- yea more players = more extreme outlier type chip building events. I still think more players tend to equate to more soft players which makes it better.
I’m not debating your preference to play what you think is the largest field. I’m just saying there are so many factors (including luck/performance, like you mentioned) which have nothing to do with the field size and will matter so much more. If people have taken things like schedule, etc into consideration and still have a choice, then other factors like field size can break ties. That makes sense regardless of one’s preferences or justification.
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05-03-2023 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
If it’s a bucket list sort of thing, I imagine he would want to partake in as much of it as possible. In any case, skipping the early stages of tournaments is a -EV strategy by definition.
I agree with your bucket list comment. Just being in the Main is a buzz for almost everyone, so might as well get as long as you can.

Just by the way, on your second point, it is not as obvious as it seems. I know a few pros getting into max late reg as a strategy these days. Here is one article about it.

https://www.pokernews.com/strategy/i...swer-40229.htm
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05-03-2023 , 08:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Rimlog
I agree with your bucket list comment. Just being in the Main is a buzz for almost everyone, so might as well get as long as you can.

Just by the way, on your second point, it is not as obvious as it seems. I know a few pros getting into max late reg as a strategy these days. Here is one article about it.

https://www.pokernews.com/strategy/i...swer-40229.htm
I think many of the pros who max late reg typically do it for scheduling reasons, not because it makes it more likely they will do well in the tournament. It’s sort of the live equivalent of multi-tabling online. Your EV in any single event will be lower, but overall you might have an advantage by being able to play more events. Of course playing in as many events as possible is a good strategy for any +EV player.

As for the article, it comes at it from ICM angle. There’s more to EV than ICM, but it’s certainty something to consider.
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05-04-2023 , 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
I think many of the pros who max late reg typically do it for scheduling reasons, not because it makes it more likely they will do well in the tournament. It’s sort of the live equivalent of multi-tabling online. Your EV in any single event will be lower, but overall you might have an advantage by being able to play more events. Of course playing in as many events as possible is a good strategy for any +EV player.

As for the article, it comes at it from ICM angle. There’s more to EV than ICM, but it’s certainty something to consider.
It's more than just scheduling, I think, although I take your point about hourly rate for good players. If I understand it right, a player of average ability who had only enough bankroll for a single tournament buy-in would have better EV if they max late reg than they would if they join from the start - quite surprising.

For better than average players, there is a trade-off between the improved equity of late entry vs their expected wins from poor players in early levels. This is particularly important in the Main, and Dara acknowledges that it is almost impossible to work out.
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05-04-2023 , 05:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Rimlog
It's more than just scheduling, I think, although I take your point about hourly rate for good players. If I understand it right, a player of average ability who had only enough bankroll for a single tournament buy-in would have better EV if they max late reg than they would if they join from the start - quite surprising.

For better than average players, there is a trade-off between the improved equity of late entry vs their expected wins from poor players in early levels. This is particularly important in the Main, and Dara acknowledges that it is almost impossible to work out.
But not all events are created equal. If an average player could buy in on the bubble of any event, that would be highly advantageous to them because their chances of making it to the bubble are pretty slim. How close to the bubble is day 2 of the main event compared to others? Not really close, from a time/number of hands standpoint.

The closer the max late reg is from the bubble, I agree, the better it would be for an average player to max reg. But only if it’s reasonably close. Otherwise, even average players are putting themselves at a disadvantage by playing a shorter stack.
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06-21-2023 , 10:51 AM
How does the WSOP determine which Day 2 you play in if you make it past Day 1?
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06-21-2023 , 02:17 PM
https://www.wsop.com/pdfs/structures...5219_21741.pdf


structure sheet from WSOP.com
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