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01-31-2019 , 03:18 AM
A heads-up event and some 6-handed events would be nice.
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01-31-2019 , 04:01 AM
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Originally Posted by Nomboo
some 6-handed events would be nice.
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Originally Posted by brettpoker87
Dealers trained better
No 10 handed poker
Nicer presentation would help(new chips, nicer chairs,more food options etc.)

Just a suggestion and would make me more likely to show up to some events if this is changed.
+10000
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01-31-2019 , 04:10 AM
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Originally Posted by brettpoker87
Dealers trained better
No 10 handed poker
truth

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Nicer presentation would help(new chips, nicer chairs,more food options etc.)

Just a suggestion and would make me more likely to show up to some events if this is changed.
or at least functional chairs... seriously, it's like half the chairs were run over or from a bar fight
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01-31-2019 , 07:29 AM
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Originally Posted by TDChrisG
Goal is to offer "warm up" events the day prior to WSOP non holdem events.
With what relative buyin levels? To directly compete with Rio satellite timeslots for same events? I mean, its a good idea in theory, but there are some ways it can go wrong in practice if certain aspects arent well-judged (get structure fast enough that ppl dont skip it not wanting to play til 5am the day before a big WSOP event, slow enough that it isnt a complete crapshoot; get buyin levels close enough that the event is worth playing for reasons other than as an unofficial satellite and is attractive to the player pool for the event you want them to be warming up for, to name a couple). Would also suggest not repeating last year and running your PLO highroller on d2 of the WSOP $25k when a bunch of potential entrants are locked out (I mean, thats cool for a one-off decrease in field strength , but not if it leads to a pessimistic assessment on your end on how future events will perform, since iirc about ten people entered your event and three of them were me).

In terms of scheduling, more $1k-$5k stuff. I never understand why this is such a neglected price range outside of WSOP. Would like to see >1 PLO events but any increase in events of any kind in that price range would be an improvement.
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01-31-2019 , 09:44 AM
I would actually prefer the events the day after the WSOP event as opposed to the day before. I don’t wanna miss the $1500 HORSE by making day 2 of a $300 HORSE. But if I bust the WSOP HORSE day 1, having a “consolation” tourney the next day would be cool.

Just one player’s opinion.
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01-31-2019 , 10:56 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
I would actually prefer the events the day after the WSOP event as opposed to the day before. I don’t wanna miss the $1500 HORSE by making day 2 of a $300 HORSE. But if I bust the WSOP HORSE day 1, having a “consolation” tourney the next day would be cool.
Just one player’s opinion.
Similar events scheduled after a WSOP Event for the lower fee secondary tournaments (no disrespect intended TDChrisG it's just a fact) almost always fit better for players UNLESS you want to view yourself as a "warm up" for the WSOP. If so you need to follow Black Aces advice and schedule 3 days PRIOR to the relevant WSOP so there can be no conflict.

As a serious Rec player I will come to LV for the lure of the WSOP but that schedule is paramount and I like many others "fill in" with other Casino's when it "fits".
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01-31-2019 , 11:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
I would actually prefer the events the day after the WSOP event as opposed to the day before. I don’t wanna miss the $1500 HORSE by making day 2 of a $300 HORSE. But if I bust the WSOP HORSE day 1, having a “consolation” tourney the next day would be cool.
The non-holdem events are typically 1-day MTTs, beginning early (11am mostly), so unless you run deep it won't affect running in the WSOP event the next day or heading over to the Rio to play in single table satties.

I played in one PH non-holdem event last year. Lots of players (including me) were tuning up for the WSOP event the next day. I definitely wouldn't change last year's formula on these events. (Agree about the chairs though - they were pretty bad.)

I like the $600 buy-in amounts in front of $1500 WSOP events.

Specifically, I'd like to see a $600 PLO8 on June 24 ($50k guarantee) and a $600 mixed omaha on June 26 ($40k guarantee) - in each case, one day ahead of the $1500 WSOP event.
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01-31-2019 , 12:48 PM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Don't set your senior smack in the middle of the WSOP Sr and Super Sr as you did last year. a couple days after the Super Senior would be excellent. Wednesday June 19th or June 20th would fit nicely against the WSOP schedule.

Last yr with the WSOP Senior 6/15 -Goliath Sr 6/16 and WSOP Super Sr 6/17 timing was just to tight.
always a challenge, things opened up a bit this year w WSOP seniors on a Thursday and super seniors on a Sunday...not sure where the chips will fall here.
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01-31-2019 , 12:49 PM
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Originally Posted by cheyenne13
I would like more h/l events, stud h/l, Omaha hi/lo
strong push for this for 2019 - looking to offer warm up events the day prior to WSOP events
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01-31-2019 , 12:51 PM
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Originally Posted by validand notinuse
With what relative buyin levels? To directly compete with Rio satellite timeslots for same events? I mean, its a good idea in theory, but there are some ways it can go wrong in practice if certain aspects arent well-judged (get structure fast enough that ppl dont skip it not wanting to play til 5am the day before a big WSOP event, slow enough that it isnt a complete crapshoot; get buyin levels close enough that the event is worth playing for reasons other than as an unofficial satellite and is attractive to the player pool for the event you want them to be warming up for, to name a couple). Would also suggest not repeating last year and running your PLO highroller on d2 of the WSOP $25k when a bunch of potential entrants are locked out (I mean, thats cool for a one-off decrease in field strength , but not if it leads to a pessimistic assessment on your end on how future events will perform, since iirc about ten people entered your event and three of them were me).

In terms of scheduling, more $1k-$5k stuff. I never understand why this is such a neglected price range outside of WSOP. Would like to see >1 PLO events but any increase in events of any kind in that price range would be an improvement.
Looking to have a couple PLO / PLO variants in the ~$1K range.
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01-31-2019 , 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
I would actually prefer the events the day after the WSOP event as opposed to the day before. I don’t wanna miss the $1500 HORSE by making day 2 of a $300 HORSE. But if I bust the WSOP HORSE day 1, having a “consolation” tourney the next day would be cool.

Just one player’s opinion.
Will have the day after option as mentioned above in a few spots - would never schedule a 2 day non holdem event that would potentially lead to someone missing the bracelet event because they made day 2 at Ph
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01-31-2019 , 12:53 PM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Similar events scheduled after a WSOP Event for the lower fee secondary tournaments (no disrespect intended TDChrisG it's just a fact) almost always fit better for players UNLESS you want to view yourself as a "warm up" for the WSOP. If so you need to follow Black Aces advice and schedule 3 days PRIOR to the relevant WSOP so there can be no conflict.

As a serious Rec player I will come to LV for the lure of the WSOP but that schedule is paramount and I like many others "fill in" with other Casino's when it "fits".
All great perspectives and it's very appreciated!
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01-31-2019 , 02:15 PM
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Originally Posted by TDChrisG
Looking to have a couple PLO / PLO variants in the ~$1K range.
As others have said, it would be wise not to schedule your MTTs the night before the corresponding event, because people don't want to be up until nearly dawn the night before a WSOP event starts (and in the case of $10k events, they have to choose between Megasat and your tourney, which hurts both).

Also note the WSOP PLO8 schedule (which they sorta butchered IMO):

6/25 $1.5k PLO8
6/27 $1.5k Mixed O8; $1k Megasat to $10k PLO8
6/28 $10k PLO8

I would recommend avoiding 6/24-6/28 (at the very least) for your PLO8/Big O (or Mixed O8 or Mixed PLO) events.
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02-01-2019 , 12:03 AM
Finally making my first wsop trip this year so my comments won’t come just as a back seat driver. I’ll be going first 2 weeks of June to play all the $1500 non-nlhe events. Warmups at the $300 price point would be ideal. Low enough that it really is a warmup but high enough that a $1500 player can still win a chunk of change. I’m expecting they’ll be 1 day events so no one gets locked out of the wsop event. Doing then as 3pm turbos would be good by me. Generally it seemed last year PH did $250 warmups while Aria did $470 cool downs (day after events). That seems like a good combo because I’m not going to play a $250 after bricking a $1500 but I’d play a $470.
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02-01-2019 , 01:18 AM
TD ChrisG,
Thank you for your efforts to provide a suitable schedule that runs in harmony with the WSOP, and another thank you for engaging the community.

On a side note, it is refreshing to hear from all the mix games enthusiasts on this forum.
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02-01-2019 , 08:02 AM
How about if we late reg for 5 bbs in the main event we are guaranteed to not be the bb like they do on acr.
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02-01-2019 , 10:32 AM
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How about if we late reg for 5 bbs in the main event we are guaranteed to not be the bb like they do on acr.
As long as it doesn’t become the norm, I don’t really care what individual rooms do with individual events, since I have the choice to play or not play. But allowing late regging for 5BB is obscene to start with and this suggestion just makes it even more so. The purpose of a poker tournament is to play poker. Sitting down at a table for a few hands and praying to double up a couple times is not poker. And allowing players to do so is a pure cash grab by Ph. I understand the business aspect of it, but again, it’s not poker.

And the suggestion that players should be incentivized to do this non-poker thing in a poker tournament is even worse. So a player who registered normally, played all day and squeaked into day two short-stacked will now have a bigger chance to have the misfortune of being on the button than a player who decided to skip the actual poker tournament and register for some sort of lottery ticket opportunity? Ridiculous.

The PH Main Event has become more expensive and/or has had higher rake each of the last three years. By no coincidence, attendance of this event has dropped precipitously over those three years. If Chris would like to return to the level of success he had with the ph ME in 2016, he needs to rethink his strategy. And further turning the event into a farce would not be a strategy I would recommend.
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02-01-2019 , 01:49 PM
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As long as it doesn’t become the norm, I don’t really care what individual rooms do with individual events, since I have the choice to play or not play. But allowing late regging for 5BB is obscene to start with and this suggestion just makes it even more so. The purpose of a poker tournament is to play poker. Sitting down at a table for a few hands and praying to double up a couple times is not poker. And allowing players to do so is a pure cash grab by Ph. I understand the business aspect of it, but again, it’s not poker.

And the suggestion that players should be incentivized to do this non-poker thing in a poker tournament is even worse. So a player who registered normally, played all day and squeaked into day two short-stacked will now have a bigger chance to have the misfortune of being on the button than a player who decided to skip the actual poker tournament and register for some sort of lottery ticket opportunity? Ridiculous.

The PH Main Event has become more expensive and/or has had higher rake each of the last three years. By no coincidence, attendance of this event has dropped precipitously over those three years. If Chris would like to return to the level of success he had with the ph ME in 2016, he needs to rethink his strategy. And further turning the event into a farce would not be a strategy I would recommend.
Your feedback is very appreciated and I can certainly acknowledge that some changes are needed to the main from what's listed above and some other factors.
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02-01-2019 , 02:13 PM
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Strong potential...
If you do that, then PLEASE give a heavy dose of non-NLHE events. At least that way, I will have something besides cash games.

Will be disappointing to lose the opportunity to go back to back on the Seniors Event final table if that one goes BBA though...

Beyond that, you know from our conversations last year what my position was and remains...
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02-01-2019 , 02:55 PM
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TD ChrisG,
Thank you for your efforts to provide a suitable schedule that runs in harmony with the WSOP, and another thank you for engaging the community.
I would like to echo this sentiment - I / We appreciate the opportunity to engage in a dialog - certainly not all idea's, suggestions, opinions can or should be implemented but it is considerate of you (and smart) to reach out for input.

Respectful exchange of idea's and opinions is always a good thing. Some of the thoughts are practical and actually doable and could lead to a more successful event. Increase in runners is generally a good thing for both house and player.

TDCHRISG TYVM
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02-01-2019 , 03:21 PM
It looks like the WSOP is responding to all the competition, Venetian in particular. You will have to offer some unique twists. How about a true 2 person team event where both play all the time, changing tables every half level. Maybe, $300 per person.
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02-01-2019 , 03:41 PM
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It looks like the WSOP is responding to all the competition, Venetian in particular. You will have to offer some unique twists. How about a true 2 person team event where both play all the time, changing tables every half level. Maybe, $300 per person.
You could do it like the old FullTilt multi-entry tournament where I think you could have up to 4 entries simultaneously in a tournament. You were guaranteed not to be on the same table as your other entries. You could cash up to all 4 times and if you made the FT with more than 1 entry then your stacks would be combined at the FT. Seems like this idea could work in a team event. Possibilities include:
- teams of exactly 2 play at separate tables with separate stacks getting combined at FT
- teams of 2+ (or even 1+) play at separate tables with separate stacks and each stack can cash, again combining at FT (so like the FullTilt game except dif people play each stack)
- then could add a further wrinkle where players can switch seats (or even are required to switch seats) at designated times, and possibly they could even transfer stacks between chips at designated times

Separately a format I've actually heard of live venues doing is teams of 2 where at a random time (given some parameters) a bell is rung at which time the players must switch even if they're in a hand. That seems a lot more pure than the current format where 3 guys all play 1 orbit early on then the 1 crusher makes a deep run. A tag team event should test both players. I'm not crazy about having to switch during a hand or even randomly (so the other player is like tethered to the table), but could require a switch every orbit or level, etc. One thing you could try in this format too is not everyone switches every time so it's not like the whole table turns over -- that way everyone plays with everyone (or at least closer to it).

Lastly one format for a team event that I've seen done (possibly at RIU Reno IIRC) is no breaks (if it's the format where players switch either at designated times or at their pleasure).
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02-01-2019 , 05:11 PM
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If you do that, then PLEASE give a heavy dose of non-NLHE events. At least that way, I will have something besides cash games.

Will be disappointing to lose the opportunity to go back to back on the Seniors Event final table if that one goes BBA though...

Beyond that, you know from our conversations last year what my position was and remains...
I hear you, but it may be hard for me to go a different route for obvious reasons. Planning a strong number of non NLH...
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02-01-2019 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
I would like to echo this sentiment - I / We appreciate the opportunity to engage in a dialog - certainly not all idea's, suggestions, opinions can or should be implemented but it is considerate of you (and smart) to reach out for input.

Respectful exchange of idea's and opinions is always a good thing. Some of the thoughts are practical and actually doable and could lead to a more successful event. Increase in runners is generally a good thing for both house and player.

TDCHRISG TYVM
At the end of the day we are all on the same team with common goals...
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02-01-2019 , 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Noz22
It looks like the WSOP is responding to all the competition, Venetian in particular. You will have to offer some unique twists. How about a true 2 person team event where both play all the time, changing tables every half level. Maybe, $300 per person.
Hmm...seems fun
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