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Old 03-23-2017, 01:59 PM   #76
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

Thanks for providing players an opportunity for feedback. I understand the challenges of trying to juggle estimated tournament field sizes with available tables/dealers, while trying to create signature events and appeasing different groups of poker players (high/mid/low stakes tournament players, PLO players, PLO8 players, mixed game players, etc...).

One suggestion is to borrow an idea from PokerStars when they create their schedules. (They have been using the model for a couple years with their numerous tournament series.)

1. Release a tentative schedule. Mark the PDFs etc... as "tentative requesting player feedback".
2. Solicit feedback (2p2 thread, twitter, etc...) for a couple days to a week.
3. Release a final schedule.

This helps to build a more customer friendly reputation for the poker room.


Examples from their 2016 WCOOP:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1620481/
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/o...d-162580.shtml
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/o...t-162669.shtml
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:02 PM   #77
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

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Thanks for providing players an opportunity for feedback. I understand the challenges of trying to juggle estimated tournament field sizes with available tables/dealers, while trying to create signature events and appeasing different groups of poker players (high/mid/low stakes tournament players, PLO players, PLO8 players, mixed game players, etc...).

One suggestion is to borrow an idea from PokerStars when they create their schedules. (They have been using the model for a couple years with their numerous tournament series.)

1. Release a tentative schedule. Mark the PDFs etc... as "tentative requesting player feedback".
2. Solicit feedback (2p2 thread, twitter, etc...) for a couple days to a week.
3. Release a final schedule.

This helps to build a more customer friendly reputation for the poker room.


Examples from their 2016 WCOOP:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1620481/
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/o...d-162580.shtml
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/o...t-162669.shtml
This is now the third year this suggestion has been made to PH.
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:14 PM   #78
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Thanks for providing players an opportunity for feedback. I understand the challenges of trying to juggle estimated tournament field sizes with available tables/dealers, while trying to create signature events and appeasing different groups of poker players (high/mid/low stakes tournament players, PLO players, PLO8 players, mixed game players, etc...).

One suggestion is to borrow an idea from PokerStars when they create their schedules. (They have been using the model for a couple years with their numerous tournament series.)

1. Release a tentative schedule. Mark the PDFs etc... as "tentative requesting player feedback".
2. Solicit feedback (2p2 thread, twitter, etc...) for a couple days to a week.
3. Release a final schedule.

This helps to build a more customer friendly reputation for the poker room.


Examples from their 2016 WCOOP:
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/61...hread-1620481/
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/o...d-162580.shtml
https://www.pokerstars.com/en/blog/o...t-162669.shtml
Thank you very much for this!
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Old 03-23-2017, 02:42 PM   #79
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

Thoughts on the PLO - PLO 8/B moving to first flights Sunday 6/18 at noon Monday 6/19 at noon and restart Tuesday 6/20 noon?

Also considering a 1 day PLO - PLO 8/B Thursday 6/22.
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Old 03-23-2017, 05:44 PM   #80
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

Chris consider either 10% or 12.5% for payouts (Ideally 12.5% or "1-in-8" across the board.) 15% is just too many people getting paid. Maybe only in the bigger buyin events where more people take shots.
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Old 03-23-2017, 07:24 PM   #81
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

As a PLO player flying in from Europe, the second week in june is perfect for me.

7th: $400 PLO @ Wynn
8th $465 PLO @ Aria
9th $565 PLO @ WSOP
10th $400 PLO day 1A @ PH
11th $400 PLO day 1B @ PH
12th $400 PLO @ Aria
13th $1000 PLO @ WSOP
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Old 03-23-2017, 08:12 PM   #82
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yes, the one day events are a marathon to say the least. double edged sword here...we were going to remove a couple of levels last year and I got pretty beat up on Two Plus Two so we made the decision to keep the same deep - long structure as 2015. I'm always open to feedback though, let's see if anyone else jumps in!
Chris, I'll echo the other feedback by starting off and thanking you for input that you take from the players. As for the length and structure of the one day events, I think most players know they're in for a long haul if they make a deep run in one of these events. I was able to cash in back-to-back days last year and the length of play didn't both me as much as the 15% payout, playing that long for a 3X or 5X your buy-in was a little rough. I think you're on the right track by keeping the structure the same, or at lease close to the same, and paying out 10%.

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Old 03-23-2017, 08:29 PM   #83
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Chris, I'll echo the other feedback by starting off and thanking you for input that you take from the players. As for the length and structure of the one day events, I think most players know they're in for a long haul if they make a deep run in one of these events. I was able to cash in back-to-back days last year and the length of play didn't both me as much as the 15% payout, playing that long for a 3X or 5X your buy-in was a little rough. I think you're on the right track by keeping the structure the same, or at lease close to the same, and paying out 10%.

-JAR-
I'll repeat a previous post...

IMO...

10% payout for tourneys with < 500 entries.
12.5% payout for tourneys with 500-1000 entries.
15% payout for tourneys with 1000+ entries.
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Old 03-23-2017, 09:12 PM   #84
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Chris, I'll echo the other feedback by starting off and thanking you for input that you take from the players. As for the length and structure of the one day events, I think most players know they're in for a long haul if they make a deep run in one of these events. I was able to cash in back-to-back days last year and the length of play didn't both me as much as the 15% payout, playing that long for a 3X or 5X your buy-in was a little rough. I think you're on the right track by keeping the structure the same, or at lease close to the same, and paying out 10%.

-JAR-
One day events will definitely be a 10% ish payout
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Old 03-23-2017, 10:19 PM   #85
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Thoughts on the PLO - PLO 8/B moving to first flights Sunday 6/18 at noon Monday 6/19 at noon and restart Tuesday 6/20 noon?

Also considering a 1 day PLO - PLO 8/B Thursday 6/22.
Why not do both? haha

Seriously though, 6/18-6/20 sounds awesome to me!
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Old 03-24-2017, 02:06 PM   #86
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18th 19th 20th is awesome for me and my friend as well both will 100% be there if that switch happens
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Old 03-25-2017, 06:53 PM   #87
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

are stacks and structures posted for the LIMIT events? Didn't see them mentioned on the structure sheet.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:06 PM   #88
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One day events will definitely be a 10% ish payout
payouts in the past have been too top heavy, please fix this.
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Old 03-25-2017, 10:21 PM   #89
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

Planning on playing a couple of the bigger NL events..
10% 1 day/12.5% multi day/15% main imo
Also agree with a bit flatter payouts.

Last edited by Yermomgoes2college; 03-25-2017 at 10:27 PM. Reason: Flatter payouts
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Old 03-26-2017, 12:03 AM   #90
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

I said this on twitter once or twice but these big $600 and $400 multi flight guarantees really don't have to be amazing structures on day one. You are bringing too much of the field back and people aren't busting fast enough.

I really don't see a problem just copying the WSOP circuit structures for these big re entries. The 365's and 580's usually bring back between 11-15% of the field getting to 3kbb which is a 9hr flight time. You can easily just play until ITM each flight and come back to the earliest bagging point. I have a lot of gripes with WSOPc events but their structures have never bothered me.

You can even do your own custom structure from day 2 on (maybe 60 min levels entire time instead of 40) that is better than the circuit if you want. But running two flights a day and bringing back the entire day 2 field ITM is a no brainer decision to me.
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Old 03-26-2017, 03:19 AM   #91
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Re: Phamous Poker Series GOLIATH 2017

anyone know if credit card is an option for Phamous or just WSOP?
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Old 03-26-2017, 09:42 AM   #92
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I said this on twitter once or twice but these big $600 and $400 multi flight guarantees really don't have to be amazing structures on day one. You are bringing too much of the field back and people aren't busting fast enough.

I really don't see a problem just copying the WSOP circuit structures for these big re entries. The 365's and 580's usually bring back between 11-15% of the field getting to 3kbb which is a 9hr flight time. You can easily just play until ITM each flight and come back to the earliest bagging point. I have a lot of gripes with WSOPc events but their structures have never bothered me.

You can even do your own custom structure from day 2 on (maybe 60 min levels entire time instead of 40) that is better than the circuit if you want. But running two flights a day and bringing back the entire day 2 field ITM is a no brainer decision to me.
Agreed. And I believe none of the PH events have longer than 40 minute levels on day 1. 40-45 minutes is definitely preferred to 60, particularly for rec players.
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:10 AM   #93
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I know it's a long shot, but thoughts on streaming some of the events on Twitch...
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Old 03-27-2017, 12:36 AM   #94
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Chris, any word on length of late registration for 1k plo? arriving on 5/31 for first trip and wondering if i will make it in time to late reg. thanks.
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Old 03-27-2017, 07:13 AM   #95
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when can we expect structure sheets for 1 day events ?
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Old 03-29-2017, 08:26 PM   #96
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TDChrisG -

When are you going to publish final schedule. I am particularly interested in the 5K PLO being moved earlier in the schedule.

Trying to plan my poker schedule and my day job.....
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Old 03-30-2017, 12:41 PM   #97
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TDChrisG -

When are you going to publish final schedule. I am particularly interested in the 5K PLO being moved earlier in the schedule.

Trying to plan my poker schedule and my day job.....
very soon, no major changes coming besides what's been discussed on this thread. No surprises coming...that said I'll advise that we will be moving the PLO High Roller to July 6th @ 3pm with the PLO High Roller Satellite moving to July 5th @ 7pm.
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Old 03-30-2017, 12:44 PM   #98
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Chris, any word on length of late registration for 1k plo? arriving on 5/31 for first trip and wondering if i will make it in time to late reg. thanks.
You will have time, reg will be until start of level 16
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Old 03-30-2017, 12:45 PM   #99
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I know it's a long shot, but thoughts on streaming some of the events on Twitch...
Streaming is in the plans...but I don't have a timetable as to when.
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Old 03-30-2017, 12:45 PM   #100
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anyone know if credit card is an option for Phamous or just WSOP?
No credit cards for Ph as of this moment.
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