Played today in the $1650


Wow the chairs were HORRIBLE! lighting was also awful.

Dealers were not bad , only one out of 8 I had was a little slow.

Chairs def need to be replaced. I was feeling vertigo sitting there and my back killed.

I just wanted to take a moment and thank everyone that participated in GOLIATH 2017. I also want to thank everyone that provided feedback about the event. Our goal is to continuously improve on every controllable aspect of GOLIATH.

Thanks again!
Chris

This cannot be stressed enough. Those chairs....can we even call them chairs? Go out in the desert and cut a few hundred cactus for next year. They'll be far more comfortable to spend an afternoon sitting in.

When do they post the results? Hendon Mob still doesn't have anything from this month.

Thanks for listening Chris.
You really must do something about the lighting in the tournament area.

GOLIATH 2018 in the works...would love to get some input as events and other suggestions for GOLIATH 2018!!!

I am thinking about coming to Vegas for the first time the last few days of May into first few days of June. I would love to play some lowstakes non-NLHE/mixed game tournaments, and GOLIATH seems like the perfect place for that. If the schedule is the same as in 2017, I would definitely play the HORSE on 5/28 and Dealer's Choice on 6/4. A mixed triple draw (A-5, 2-7, badugi) at the $250 price level sometime during that first week would be an ideal warmup for the corresponding WSOP event (perhaps do it 1 day before).

Thank you Chris to listening to players.

Il would suggest some changements :

- more 6max tournaments even if the rake increase (your rake is low so you can do it for some tournaments).
- better dealers. I played a few events last year and I had a bad experience because of the worst dealers I've ever had at the tables (I know it's a difficult job and I'm always very polite and accommodating with them but unfortunately I had some very bad cases). All the players I talked to agreed with that and some even told me that they would not play the PH again because of that.
- no longer ends of day 1 at 6am...
- publishing the schedule (even if it's a beta version) very early.

Thank you very very much for listenning to the players.

A heads up PLO around the $500-1k range would be awesome. As would a higher buy in
8 game.

Unfortunately you gotta understand at that time at the best dealers go to the Rio or Venetian. It's really hard to find really good ones that are available.

Concur on the dealers...the one I had to begin the O8 event last year was just horrible and had no business whatsoever being around ANY manner of poker table. Getting good dealers is about being ahead of the game and being willing to pay the good ones to get them roped in early...DO IT!

The mixed triple draw event concept would be well-received on this end. I played the one at the Nugget last year...bubbled, but enjoyed it and will play again if the schedule works out.

expand on the triple draw event please, looking for multiple games offered? Round of 2-7, A-5, etc?

What they have in wsop. A-5, 2-7, and badugi. All limit triple.

I played at the Nugget...may have the structure sheet in the file folder from last Summer's travels. But, yes, it was a round of each (A-5, 2-7 and Badugi).

I confess to having never played Badugi before sitting down but got the hang of it and, sadly enough, busted out to a better Badugi on the money bubble. It was one of, if not the only Badugi over Badugi that I recall seeing the entire day at the table...

Really enjoyed the 2-7 tournament last year.. it was a great warm-up for the WSOP.

Would love to see it again (6/11/18 or 6/12/18) as a lead-in to the WSOP event

FWIW, I feel like you would have a good turn-out running most every varient as a warmup to the $1500 event (IE: Hosting a $300 Horse the day before the WSOP $1500 event, etc)

This idea. Although I'd prefer horse be $500+rake because it is popular and it will get numbers (Aria had a $480 horse one day event right before it.)

Do $300 for other varieties of games.

all great stuff and the suggestions are appreciated. hoping to release the sched shortly after new year, keep the ideas coming!

Also be willing to listen to arguments and move stuff around, while people peal the schedule. No harm in throwing some tentative then spending a couple of weeks tinkering down.

basically what we've done for the last 2 years. however last year there were multiple versions of the schedule out there which caused some confusion. this year once you see event numbers, it's locked in. until that point we will certainly be open to some shifting via player feedback.

Just make it clear that the final schedule has to be done by xx date, then own it.

Btw, any improvement in the lighting and dealers? Saying to let you know of problem dealers is not the answer....you must start with better dealers and you must KNOW that they KNOW how to deal the games when they get in the box.

Problem is most dealers want to deal WSOP (ideally be included in restart/FT crews, or in the sattie/cash rotations.) Also a lot of the dealers do both (deal Rio for x hours then come to PH deal y hours. Therefore otherwise good dealers would be coming tired at PH and you get mistakes.)

Not really sure how to fix this ..

If not fixed, then I (maybe others) have to exercise the option to go elsewhere. If there are "dealers" there at all, then it is the casinos obligation to make sure they are competent. Don't believe for a second that the casino does not get a nice profit from tournaments. You can be sure if they brought people in to deal table games they would be on top of it.

Unless Chris is completely clueless, I think he is well aware of the complaints players have voiced for years regarding the dealer quality. In general, I would say things have improved over the years, though you will still see some inexperienced dealers at PH, just like you will at the WSOP.

And when a dealer makes a mistake, or many mistakes, I understand it can be annoying. But its very rare that a dealer makes a major mistake (like pushing a pot into the wrong stack, or fouling the deck during play... both things I have seen at highly reputable establishments like Borgata and elsewhere). So I think players just need to be a little more patient. I don't know what specific constraints Chris operates under, but in general, getting a sufficient number of high quality dealers is not very easy during the summer, when there is a limited supply and huge demand throughout Vegas. I'm sure Chris will continue to try and improve in this area. And in the end, if dealer quality is so important to an individual, and if PH is not up to snuff in their opinion, there are plenty of alternatives available throughout Vegas during the summer.

I will say one thing to Chris, though, regarding player complaints and the PH series. And this something I witnessed quite a bit in years past, especially last summer. When players are already agitated by something... be it last minute changes to structure/schedule, or inequitable registration procedures, or poor seat/lighting quality, etc, then things like dealer mistakes get amplified. I don't recall ever playing tournaments where players were practically on tilt before even getting into much action. I think if you significantly improved on those sorts of issues, then complaints about dealer quality would probably be more muted.

Most of these dealers are temp employees. Casinos don't typically engage in hiring large numbers of temp employees at their tables, so your analogy is not applicable.

But yes, there are other options if the dealer quality is such a big factor for you.

This basically. Rabbit apparently doesn't get it. I was playing $10,000 buying events at the WSOP this summer and DEALERS WERE MAKING MISTAKES. Some are on Negreanu's VLOG so you know I'm not making this **** up.

If at the WSOP $10,000 buyin championships you're going to have dealers make mistakes, you can't help it in a $365 at PH lol. Players can easily get involved, spot and help dealers with the mistakes. It's NOT the end of the world.