Your attitude about it is how these casinos get a pass. They don’t hit their projections so they cancel the guarantees. Yet you still go there.

The real comical part is you’re still talking about their guarantees, which are now clearly meaningless.

If they increase their rakes, I guess you can view that as inflation. But increasing buy-ins is not reflective of inflation since the prize pool goes back to the players. It’s reflective of the economics of live poker. Low buy in events are not very profitable at anything besides WSOP scales (or online, obviously). Poker is on thin ice as it is within the confines of casinos.

Guarantees are a form of marketing, and little else. Venues have plenty of legal wiggle room. This has always been the case and will always be the case. One would think poker players would have figured it out by now after two decades.

Your attitude about it is basically “cancel” culture. I’d say 9/10 times I encounter this attitude, it’s short-sighted and hypocritical. Be that as it may, you are perfectly welcome to pick and choose the products you buy based on whatever criteria you like.

But that’s not what you did here. Your not just going about your business. You’re trying to impose your worldview on others. And failing that, you’re insulting another person who doesn’t think the way you do.

I agree. Use other thread.

Couldn't have said this any better myself. You always provide a thoughtful, logical analysis and I wish there were more commenters like yourself. Take the emotion out of it and this is what you get. Tuscaloosa, you could learn some things from akashenk

I get where you’re coming from. I don’t usually advocate the subsidisation of poor service in the commercial world either. But it’s a question of where one draws the line, and that’s always a matter of personal evaluation.
I find the summer schedules at Orleans and GN to be VERY attractive. So I’m willing to tolerate a few failings in a manner that I would not at, say, a random restaurant or retail store.

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Sweet. The pieces are starting to fall into place.

True, I could never put my foot down and allow casinos to get away with s—-y service. Him comparing this to “cancel culture” is comical. Not using a private business due to poor service is not cancel culture.

The Orleans made a business decision and an understandable one. They didn’t violate any laws or codes of ethics. They just made a promise about future products which they failed to keep last summer. This happens all the time. And one doesn’t even have to reference the ubiquitous “we reserve the right to change…” notices on all structure sheets. Business and people make promises based on whatever information they have at the time and then sometimes they fail to keep them when circumstances change. Occasionally, the result of that broken promise is immense, causing great harm to lots of people. And sometimes it’s not that big a deal. I invite you to explain the monumental harm which was caused in this case.

Anyhow, if this were a pattern in a business or a person, one could rightfully make a judgement as to how much you can trust that business or person to follow through on their promises. Was what happened at the Orleans last summer representative of a pattern by them?

Still, you or anybody else are free to decide for yourself that this one thing is sufficient to make you not want to do business with the Orleans anymore. But your decision has nothing to do with the quality of products and services they offer. It’s all about your emotional state and ability to deal with the realities of life in a constructive, as opposed to destructive way. You are calling for harm to be done to the Orleans, it’s employees, and all the other people who gain pleasure and other benefits from them. You want the Orleans to be punished because you were insulted. Your ego and sense of self righteousness can simply not stand the idea that the world doesn’t march in lockstep with your thinking. And so, instead changing your thinking by learning to deal with a tiny bit of disappointment and move on, you have decided it would be better to try and spread your worldview as far as possible so that you don’t have to make a small change in yourself.

This is what cancel culture is all about. And people who push it don’t view it as such because their own fragile emotional state clouds their ability to see things clearly.

I would like to give this comment an A+ with a million more +'s

On this part, yes. They have cancelled other tournaments with a gtd prior to last summer so they do have a pattern of it happening.

I don’t play at Orleans, so I don’t normally follow what goes on there. If people think they are untrustworthy and if honoring their advertised schedule to the letter is a critical component to one’s enjoyment of their product, then by all means, don’t go there anymore. But that is not what is being discussed in this thread. Every person picks and chooses the products they buy and the companies they buy them from for all sorts of reasons which are their own business and no one else’s. But there is a difference between voting with one’s own wallet and engaging in public advocacy, especially advocacy which intends to do harm.

Huge LOL at the drama of this post after my one comment responding to the guy talking about guarantees at Orleans as if they actually mean anything.

Players can go wherever they want. But if they support a business showing a pattern of this kind of thing it will never affect change.

I rarely go to Orleans. I won’t even be in Vegas this summer. No, I’m not in an emotional fragile state over this.

My original reply to you was relatively short. You’re the one who took issue with me describing your reaction as cancel culture. But that’s exactly what it is. As for the psychological underpinnings, I’ll stick with my diagnosis, though I’m certainly no professional in this area.

So let me get this straight… there are thousands of poker tournaments around the world each year, and once in a while a guarantee is pulled, and this represents something which requires venues to be punished? Is it possible you are overreacting?

What exactly is this change you are trying to bring about? No more guarantees? No more poker tournaments? These are pretty much the things you will get if your suggestions are followed. But hey, your personal sense of right and wrong will be satisfied. And that’s all that apparently matters.

Serious ownage of Tuscaloosa (makes whip noise)

You know as well as I do that “cancel culture” has become this derogatory term dealing with boycotting of businesses over perceived discrimination or political differences.

You also realize that in a free market customers can vote with their feet as this is a market with many tournament series. There is zero chance that poker tournaments and guarantees will cease to exist if players don’t go to Orleans and instead go to a rival Vegas casino.

I can imagine a violin playing in the background as you compose your posts, so full of drama they are.

Within the echo chamber of the people in this thread, no doubt. But within what would be the opinions of the general populace? Highly, highly doubtful.

Not sure why you’re dragging everyone else in this thread into your petty disagreements but I assure you, the vast majority of us don’t care about you and the other guy’s bickering.

“Cancel culture” isn’t about political differences. It’s about people being offended by something and wanting/acting toward making it go away in order to justify their feelings. Why get all upset over something if you’re not going to do anything about it? The only reason it has crept into politics is because nowadays people become easily offended by the existence of other people who have different political views. Political differences are certainly not a new phenomenon. But perhaps the intolerance and inability to coexist is fairly new, and leading to expressions of cancel culture.

Customers can vote with their feet. I encourage them to do so. That’s not what you’re doing. No one cares whether you play at the Orleans or any other venue or why you make the choices you make. But there’s a big difference between exercising your free will to choose, and trying to encourage group action to cause harm. You appeared in this thread to do precisely that by mocking somebody who doesn’t have the same viewpoint as you when it comes to the Orleans. And you indicated your wish that others boycott the Orleans because of how you feel about it. What other purpose could you possibly have had other than to do harm to the Orleans?

If you have any principles and are not just full of hot air, then you can’t play at any venue which has pulled a guarantee or done something else to alter their tournament structure due to unforeseen events. I assure you, the number of places you can play at is smaller than you think, and will only grow smaller. Have fun with that.

And your suggestion that guarantees and tournaments will not be affected is naive, at best. The bigger the controversy raised when these rare pullbacks occur, the more likely it is that tournament organizers will lower and even eliminate guarantees, for all intents and purposes. It’s not worth the headache. That goes for all organizers. They know the next time it could be them. That is a real guarantee which you can take to the bank. Making justifiable profits from
poker tournaments in the casino environment is a tough proposition as it is. You start throwing in potential for overlays and boycotts into the mix, and one can see what will happen if there is any sort of significant groundswell of sentiment aligned with yours.

Fortunately we’re not at that point yet. But you’re not helping.

When you explain what sort of significant damage was done to you by the Orleans, perhaps you will have some standing in the drama department. But for now, all I see is you are calling for damage be done to a lot of people because your feelings were hurt. I see no justification for your overly dramatic response to the guarantee pullbacks.

I always enjoy playing the summer tournaments at the Orleans! I always hear that tournys don’t make the casinos much money and now with the spectre of possible dealer/player shortages, instead of being pissed at the Orleans, I’m just hopeful that they run a full series this summer.

I play the June tournaments all over the strip and at the Nugget but I find the Orleans has a different “vibe” that I really enjoy!

I also love the Orleans. I delightfully enjoy the lack of pretentiousness amongst its player base. The Orleans has a laid back, down-to-earth feel. You could say it is the Golden Corral of poker venues. I'm hoping to see TuscaloosaJohnnyRocket there this Summer so I can treat to a slice of 'Za from Sbarro

There was a whole flame thread last year about someone who had a bad experience at Sbarro during the WSOP. I believe the person even suggested Sbarro be cancelled, or that the WSOP was somehow responsible for the Sbarro which was in the basement if the ballrooms they operated in. That wasn’t TuscaloosaJohnnyRockey was it?

… or maybe it was Subway.

LOL Yes someone went on a rant about Subway - Ever know a poker player not to find a trivial reason to complain ?

Do you know the difference between a toilet and a poker dealer ?

A toilet only has to deal with ONE azzhole at a time

Sadly I don’t think it’s limited to poker players. People just seem less able to deal with things nowadays. Probably the result of life being so much easier in modern times than it has been in the past.