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04-17-2022 , 11:37 PM
Any idea when we'll see structure sheets from others (Nugget/Orleans/etc.)?

Am curious how long their multi-day flights go on day 1 when they have multiple flights in a day.
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04-18-2022 , 12:59 AM
May 1st for Nugget structures. It's in the pinned tweet on their poker room Twitter if you want to confirm it yourself.
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04-18-2022 , 04:31 AM
Another vote for the Orleans , love playing there when in town . Last falls series had a good turnout and was well run . Keep up the good work .
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04-19-2022 , 03:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DogFace
To me the answer is clearly Milly Maker.

As a WSOP event, it's going to have the highest concentration of shot takers, satty winners, and punters. Softest field.

Then you look at the structure. 25k starting stack. 60 minute levels.

6/18 Wynn is 25k starting stack and 30 minute levels. Close to a turbo.

6/18 Orleans is 30k starting stack and 40 minute levels (60 minute day two). Marginally bigger stack, but much faster day one.

So with the Milly you get the weakest field and the most time to realize your edge. Seems clear to me.

Wynn will likely attract a lot of pro types who don't mind burning $1k for 30 minute levels.

Orleans is interesting for one reason: at $750k guaranteed, it may only attract 1000-1500 runners. So you have a somewhat real shot of making the final 100.

Biggest issue with the Milly is that the field size (8-10k?) will make it effectively impossible to realize your true EV.

All the same, I still go Milly because I want to play 60 minute levels vs. shot takers.
Orleans gets that many players? Where would they all fit?
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04-19-2022 , 04:01 AM
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The same tournaments every week on those days?
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04-19-2022 , 01:14 PM
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Orleans gets that many players? Where would they all fit?
They take out machines and add some tables outside the room. They got 974 last fall fo a 1k with a 750k guarantee. 1402 for a 600 with a 500k guarantee last summer.
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04-19-2022 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
They take out machines and add some tables outside the room. They got 974 last fall fo a 1k with a 750k guarantee. 1402 for a 600 with a 500k guarantee last summer.

Also there are 5/6 flights it’s not like there are just 1000 jabronis kicking it simultaneously haha.
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04-22-2022 , 01:49 PM
In the past, Venetian held some of their summer Deepstacks in the convention hall. Have they said anything about that for this year, or will they all be in the poker room?
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04-22-2022 , 04:13 PM
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Originally Posted by ran
In the past, Venetian held some of their summer Deepstacks in the convention hall. Have they said anything about that for this year, or will they all be in the poker room?
They did that one time. And a few times, they’ve held the series at the Palazzo. But I’m pretty sure this year will be in the poker room vicinity.
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04-22-2022 , 04:21 PM
Yeah, Tommy had posted that the series this summer will be entirely at the V. I'm apparently in the minority, but I really liked the convention hall space.
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04-22-2022 , 04:56 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Yeah, Tommy had posted that the series this summer will be entirely at the V. I'm apparently in the minority, but I really liked the convention hall space.
I'm sure they would have loved to continue to hold it in the convention space, especially with all that equipment they bought to be able to hold it there. But a poker series can't hold a candle to a big convention. and that's the problem with a popular convention destination like the Venetian. Obtaining extra space costs a lot of money and poker is rarely able to compete.

Prior to the sale of the Venetian I heard rumors that they were going to expand what is now the Venetian Expo. Not sure if that is still on the table but given the explosion of convention space in Vegas the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if it were. And who knows, maybe they might toss the DCPS a few square ft.
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04-22-2022 , 05:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Yeah, Tommy had posted that the series this summer will be entirely at the V. I'm apparently in the minority, but I really liked the convention hall space.
The space was fine. Walking there was not fun.
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04-22-2022 , 06:08 PM
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I'm sure they would have loved to continue to hold it in the convention space, especially with all that equipment they bought to be able to hold it there. But a poker series can't hold a candle to a big convention. and that's the problem with a popular convention destination like the Venetian. Obtaining extra space costs a lot of money and poker is rarely able to compete.

Prior to the sale of the Venetian I heard rumors that they were going to expand what is now the Venetian Expo. Not sure if that is still on the table but given the explosion of convention space in Vegas the last few years, I wouldn't be surprised if it were. And who knows, maybe they might toss the DCPS a few square ft.
Oh yeah, I know it wasn't up to Tommy or the Poker Room. More I meant that the comments from players in response to them saying it would be at the V Poker Room were mostly supportive of it not being in the convention area, like from BD below.

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The space was fine. Walking there was not fun.
I didn't mind it at all, but I can understand that. It certainly decreased the likelihood of random walkups.
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04-23-2022 , 10:39 AM
For the bounty tournaments, how are the bounties paid? Does each player have a chip that represents their bounty or does the floor pay out bounties as people are knocked out? Not sure if it matters the value of each bounty. For the Venetian tourney that pays 1,500 bounties I'd imagine they aren't giving out 1,500 cash each time someone knocks out a player.
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04-23-2022 , 11:40 AM
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Originally Posted by mcgowan.kr
For the bounty tournaments, how are the bounties paid? Does each player have a chip that represents their bounty or does the floor pay out bounties as people are knocked out? Not sure if it matters the value of each bounty. For the Venetian tourney that pays 1,500 bounties I'd imagine they aren't giving out 1,500 cash each time someone knocks out a player.
As per structure sheet:
“$300 from each buy-in will go towards the bounty pool.
Bounties will begin on Day 2. Players will draw a random
bounty prize for every player they eliminate. Top bounty
prize is guaranteed $1,000,000. Bounties cannot be redeemed until after 4:00 p.m. on Day 2“

So my guess Is bounty $$ is *surprise for every elimination. *Minimum Surprise $$ to 1 Million!
And even you knocked out someone early in the morning you will not know what is the bounty $$ you are getting until 4 PM.

* Minimum Surprised $$ bounty will be determined after all the Day 1 (1A, 1B, 1C, and 1D )registration is closed.

Last edited by riverph7; 04-23-2022 at 11:52 AM.
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04-23-2022 , 01:43 PM
That's for the specific WSOP mystery bounty tourney. Other bounty tournies award a set bounty, and they each do it differently. Some have each person with cash chips at the table that they give to the person who knocks them out. Some have each person with a bounty card or voucher that they give, and that person then exchanges at the cage or other location for the money.
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04-23-2022 , 02:14 PM
Thank you both very much for the replies, that answers my questions. I appreciate it!
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04-23-2022 , 05:05 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
As per structure sheet:
“$300 from each buy-in will go towards the bounty pool.
Bounties will begin on Day 2. Players will draw a random
bounty prize for every player they eliminate. Top bounty
prize is guaranteed $1,000,000. Bounties cannot be redeemed until after 4:00 p.m. on Day 2“

So my guess Is bounty $$ is *surprise for every elimination. *Minimum Surprise $$ to 1 Million!
And even you knocked out someone early in the morning you will not know what is the bounty $$ you are getting until 4 PM.

* Minimum Surprised $$ bounty will be determined after all the Day 1 (1A, 1B, 1C, and 1D )registration is closed.
Yes this info is for Millions $$ bounty tournament $1000 buy in on July 2 to 4th.
WSOP Event 68.

https://www.wsop.com/pdfs/structures...4943_20368.pdf

Last edited by riverph7; 04-23-2022 at 05:15 PM.
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04-24-2022 , 08:37 AM
Based on everything I've seen so far, here's what I think my schedule will look like. I'll get into town very late on June 14th (1159pm-ish) and will be staying at Bally-Shoe for three nights and then Mirage for four nights. The only non-poker thing I have to do is go to the Slipknot Concert on Friday the 17th. That takes quite a few tournaments off the board for me.

I plan on starting early on the 15th with the WSOP $250 Seniors Weekly at 9am.

Then on the 16th, play the $1,100 Monster Stack at Venetian. I'm guessing there will be a larger field at the same time at Wynn for Day 1D of the $2.5k Mystery Bounty, so the field at the $1.1k, $200k GTD, at V should be a little softer and smaller, but we'll see.

Friday, June 17, no tournaments, switch hotels, get a good meal, see Slipknot at MGM.

Saturday, play $1k, $750k GTD, flight D or E at Orleans.

Sunday, continue Day 2 at Orleans, OR, WSOP Event #41, the $1k Super Turbo Bounty.

Monday, Continue Day 3 Final Table at Orleans, or no tournaments and just enjoy my last full day in Vegas.

So, I think that's the best I can do on a $3k tournament budget and not being able to play on Friday.

Any thoughts? Do any of you see better opportunities? Thank you.
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04-24-2022 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenesmus
Based on everything I've seen so far, here's what I think my schedule will look like. I'll get into town very late on June 14th (1159pm-ish) and will be staying at Bally-Shoe for three nights and then Mirage for four nights. The only non-poker thing I have to do is go to the Slipknot Concert on Friday the 17th. That takes quite a few tournaments off the board for me.

I plan on starting early on the 15th with the WSOP $250 Seniors Weekly at 9am.

Then on the 16th, play the $1,100 Monster Stack at Venetian. I'm guessing there will be a larger field at the same time at Wynn for Day 1D of the $2.5k Mystery Bounty, so the field at the $1.1k, $200k GTD, at V should be a little softer and smaller, but we'll see.

Friday, June 17, no tournaments, switch hotels, get a good meal, see Slipknot at MGM.

Saturday, play $1k, $750k GTD, flight D or E at Orleans.

Sunday, continue Day 2 at Orleans, OR, WSOP Event #41, the $1k Super Turbo Bounty.

Monday, Continue Day 3 Final Table at Orleans, or no tournaments and just enjoy my last full day in Vegas.

So, I think that's the best I can do on a $3k tournament budget and not being able to play on Friday.

Any thoughts? Do any of you see better opportunities? Thank you.

Looks like a great schedule. I don't think there are really right or wrong answers with picking events, as so much of it just comes down to what YOU want to do. For example, is the super turbo bounty something that you're dead set on or just something that you thought might be fun?

During that time frame, the $1500 Milly Maker at the WSOP stands out to me as a great option. You could play the Saturday flight and then maybe day 2-3 on Sunday-Monday. In your shoes I'd probably skip the big Venetian event, play a one day Aria $400 instead, and then use the extra funds to bump the Orleans for the Milly Maker. But that's just me. Maybe 60 minute levels sound too slow to you. Maybe you'd rather play the Orleans than deal with the mobs at the WSOP. There's no objectively right answer, so just pick the 1-2 events in your window that you absolutely 100% know you want to play and then flex out the other slots with whatever looks decent those days.
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04-24-2022 , 01:40 PM
I don't recommend entering 5 day tournaments when your schedule only lets you play the first 3 days.

Yea, you'll probably be eliminated on those days anyway and not make it to the 4th or 5th day.

but what if ...

you're better off just winning tournaments that fit your schedule instead of being put in tough life choice situations trying to win tournaments that don't fit your schedule.
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04-24-2022 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Tenesmus
Based on everything I've seen so far, here's what I think my schedule will look like. I'll get into town very late on June 14th (1159pm-ish) and will be staying at Bally-Shoe for three nights and then Mirage for four nights. The only non-poker thing I have to do is go to the Slipknot Concert on Friday the 17th. That takes quite a few tournaments off the board for me.

I plan on starting early on the 15th with the WSOP $250 Seniors Weekly at 9am.

Then on the 16th, play the $1,100 Monster Stack at Venetian. I'm guessing there will be a larger field at the same time at Wynn for Day 1D of the $2.5k Mystery Bounty, so the field at the $1.1k, $200k GTD, at V should be a little softer and smaller, but we'll see.

Friday, June 17, no tournaments, switch hotels, get a good meal, see Slipknot at MGM.

Saturday, play $1k, $750k GTD, flight D or E at Orleans.

Sunday, continue Day 2 at Orleans, OR, WSOP Event #41, the $1k Super Turbo Bounty.

Monday, Continue Day 3 Final Table at Orleans, or no tournaments and just enjoy my last full day in Vegas.

So, I think that's the best I can do on a $3k tournament budget and not being able to play on Friday.

Any thoughts? Do any of you see better opportunities? Thank you.
Looks fine given the constraints. If you're looking for a daily on one of those "days off" you can do the WSOP Daily Deepstack, or perhaps something at Aria.

If you are willing to stretch your budget a tad, I don't see why you couldn't play the Wynn Mystery bounty. Day 2 is on the 17th. I don't know what time the concert is, but I imagine it's at night and fairly late. The Wynn event will likely be in final table territory by dinner that day, which would be a decent consolation prize.
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04-25-2022 , 05:21 PM
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I plan on starting early on the 15th with the WSOP $250 Seniors Weekly at 9am.
How late does this one usually go?

I get in at night on the 14th as well, coming from the east coast. Every year I have I crashed hard late afternoon on day one. I know, it sucks getting old, but it's a fact. I'd hate to waste a good run on fatigue related punts.
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04-26-2022 , 06:57 AM
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How late does this one usually go?

I get in at night on the 14th as well, coming from the east coast. Every year I have I crashed hard late afternoon on day one. I know, it sucks getting old, but it's a fact. I'd hate to waste a good run on fatigue related punts.
Not sure, but they usually get 150-250 runners. I find it a nice way to ease into Vegas and Poker, playing with fellow old farts early in the AM. I've never made it past level 9. Also, the convention space, in general, is empty AF Wednesday at 9 AM, so registration lines are really short and you can reg for other events with no hassle.
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04-27-2022 , 03:27 AM
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Also there are 5/6 flights it’s not like there are just 1000 jabronis kicking it simultaneously haha.
Ah, played in their WSOP-adjacent series and there was certainly not enough room for 1000 jabronis.
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