it was either 2pm or 3pm, don't recall for sure other than it was mid-afternoon.

It’s always hi/lo and should be pot limit. It would be marked as PLO5 otherwise. The Wynn has one those on their schedule, I believe.

Thank you.

You would need 20 minute levels for this to happen. I'm guessing it ends around 4:00. A great reason these one day events should be freezeout.

Any thoughts on difference between Venetian $600-800 Vs Wynn $550-100k. Any thoughts on what I should play this week on Friday/ Saturday. The structure is better for Venetian but Wynn has a better gtn even tho structure is weaker. Thoughts? I tend to like better structures but looking for a bigger score so feel $550 at Wynn might be better play even though higher variance. Thoughts?

Venetian/ Wynn to me are both great. Wynn is prolly a little nicer even though the structures are quicker with less play ugh. Venetian is lower variance route as field will be smaller and structure is better. Thoughts?

I also assume the Wynn will be softer a tad bit Vs Wynn as buying is slightly lower and will get more players.

Looking for opinions between playing an Aria $600 75K GTD vs a Venetian $800 75K GTD.

Both are 1 day events with similar rake and structure.

Any thoughts to guide decision would be appreciated.

Was curious if anyone had an idea when the daily deepstacks end?

I always give S points attentions in selecting my tournaments to play

Since both the tournaments has 73 S Points.

I will go with Aria as it’s $200 cheaper and as per my friend RealMcCoy ,is the best place to play.

This makes life soooo much easier! 👏

Doesn't hurt psychologically that we have both cashed multiple tickets at ARIA. Venetian is a fine poker room but in very limited number of attempts I have a goose egg there

Depending on number of entries, maybe 4 a.m. to 6 a.m.

Wynn $550 (6/3). You accumulate X number of chips and win a flag. You can re-enter all you want. How exactly does this work? I would love to win and go back for another flag or two. Does the fact that people will be continuously cashing out affect the softness (or lack thereof) of the field? How does the tourney end?

You can re-enter all you want up to and until you cash out. You cant go back in at that point. The tournament ends when there is one person left as they collect the last 5k.

Does Aria have structure sheets posted anywhere? Cant find them, maybe I missed it

Aria structures are on their site:

https://aria.mgmresorts.com/en/casino/poker.html

are you talking about the events that start at 1pm?

It's weird, but it doesn't matter a lot. The size of the field has the most effect because the events that start later give you fewer chips. They proceed faster than the earlier events and they all sorta arrive within an hour or two of each other.

Playing in the $1600 Seniors at Venetian on June 25th, but arriving after the start of day 1B. Three questions for the group, please:

1. Where are the events happening at the Venetian? A few years ago, they were using the convention center in the back of the property. Are they holding their deepstack tournaments in the main poker room, or in the convention center?

2. Can you use the Bravo Live website/app to register for these events after they start?

3. If I can't use the Bravo website to register, where is the registration -- main poker cage, or somewhere else?

Thanks, folks. Let's all play well!!

1. Pics from their poker room's Twitter the last week or two suggest that these events are playing out in the main poker room. I don't think they're getting enough numbers to be pushed out into another space, though I haven't played there for a few months myself.

2. Not sure.

3. Whenever I've played stuff there, I've always just walked up to the little cage next to the poker room and paid there. I'm assuming this is standard operating procedure. Not sure if you can buy in elsewhere on the property, as I've never tried.

1. All events are in the Venetian poker room

2. No

3. Registration is at the poker room cage and typically opens as soon as registration closes the day before.

BTW, it’s not that they can’t get the numbers. It’s that space has been slowly
taken away pretty much every year. They don’t get to “expand” when things are good. They get whatever space they can and do the best with it. That has always been the case, but is even more so under the new ownership. It’s unfortunate, because they run a good room and offer great 2-3 day structures.

1) All tournaments are now in their main poker room. They haven't used the convention center for a few years.

2) I have never used Bravo to register at the Venetian. I just logged in and it tells me I have no reservations for any tournaments at the Venetian. However, I don't see any buttons I can push to actually enter into any of the tournaments that they are listing...

3) There is a cashiers cage right beside the poker room.

I will very possibly be playing in the Day 1B as well if I flub the WSOP Seniors and then Day 1A...

I heard they lost a lot of players when they didn’t pay out gtns to a series earlier this year that missed big (or late last year). The numbers at Venetian have been really down lately which is odd bc I find the room really nice and the dealers are great. Structures are much better than Wynn also. Idk I’m a structure junky so I want as much play as I can get. Even the $400 and 600 allow for so much play. Idk I love when we get to play a lot of poker and try to capitalize on the less serious tourny players that are just casual recs.

The Venetian didn’t reneg on any guarantee. They cancelled two tournaments which were part of the “Stairway to heaven” series promoted by PokerGo. Players who had won seats were paid the cash equivalent. It became clear that there wasn’t enough support for that format to justify the guarantees in the remaining two events. If the events had been held there would have likely been large overlays.

Many players have this mindset that guarantees are some sort of gamble on the part of venues and if the venue misses (ie loses) then it’s good for the players, like the house is losing for a change. This is not remotely true. Missed guarantees mean only one thing… lower guarantees. Live poker is a tenuous venture to start with in the casino environment, and casino operators are not interested in additional risk. And that’s what we have seen this summer at the Venetian. That is the reason for smaller fields, not anything to do with the Stairway to heaven controversy. If the Venetian had the space and the willingness to offer big guarantees like they have in the past, then you would see the same field sizes as we have seen in the past. But that’s not where they are at under new ownership.

It is a shame, though, since like you said, they still offer some of, if not the best structures in Vegas. Until such time as the powers that be give them the space they need to hold the kind of series they have historically held, I think it’s clear they have stepped back from their previous position as the premiere alternative to the WSOP during the summer.

Still a great place to play and smaller fields aren’t all that bad a thing. There is something to be said for not having to dodge so many mines.

A few years ago (pre covid) in the convention center I was playing in a Venetian deepstack tournament that had a guarantee of $600,000. The prize pool was at like $375,000 with an hour to go for registration and I had a large stack and was very excited about the potential payouts. When the smoke cleared and the registration was over the Venetian had > $600,000 in the prize pool.

Apparently pre-Covid there was a Vegas system where phone calls went out to the community indicating when overlays were likely and then poof they were gone. Or maybe it was just online sites where people got the message. Or both.

Anyway, if guarantees are down it is a result of what they know about their business and/or the tournament community is different now than pre covid.

The Venetian has the best structures outside of WSOP and they have thrived while other rooms have shutdown (like Planet Hollywood) or now have reduced tournaments (like I think Binions unless they have also shut down and maybe the Golden Nugget though I could be wrong about that).

I have had mixed feelings about the Venetian over the years including because it was owned by Adelson and how they handled masking during Covid as well as one truly awful ruling by a Floor who then lied to the TD about what happened at the table when he got there and then the TD refused to investigate. But I play there now when I am in Vegas and the structure is why. I even go to Vegas outside of WSOP schedule to play in a Deepstack series.

I don’t see anything different in the poker community now compared to pre-COVID. If anything, there is still pent up demand for tournaments since they didn’t exist in most places for the last few years (and still don’t to a large extent in some regions).

As to the Venetian, specifically, their footprint was reduced. That was not a decision made by the poker room, but rather upper management which envisions better use of poker space. You can’t have as big a field when you don’t have the space to accommodate it. So you lower the guarantees. And you have smaller fields. The two go hand in hand.