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01-02-2022 , 06:33 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk North East Poker Tournaments ( is Borgata,WSOPC, Parx)
This is a constant debate. The fact of the matter is the vast majority of tournament players tip nothing since for some reason it has become the norm that tournament players only tip if they win anything. And the winning players who do tip, even if they are generous, cannot make up for the loss of 85% or more of the player pool contributing next to nothing. Dealer add-ons in some events help this issue, but it's still imbalanced between tournaments and cash, making dealers not want to deal tournaments.

I don't know exactly what dealers typically make dealing cash, and it obviously varies... but if dealers can make something on the order $20-$25/hr on top of their meager salary, I think that's reasonable.

If poker rooms could get tourney players to tip even $2/hour for the time they are playing, through some sort of system, then the disparity between tourney and cash earnings for dealers would be largely eliminated and we might see more tourneys.
Today's tournament rake also includes a piece for staff. The Venetian for example takes $65 from a $600 tournament for the rake and another $30 for "staff." Dealers are included in this staff take. 400 entrants = $12,000 for staff. This is the very reason tournament players have been less inclined to tip after cashing.
01-02-2022 , 11:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Stein North East Poker Tournaments ( is Borgata,WSOPC, Parx)
Today's tournament rake also includes a piece for staff. The Venetian for example takes $65 from a $600 tournament for the rake and another $30 for "staff." Dealers are included in this staff take. 400 entrants = $12,000 for staff. This is the very reason tournament players have been less inclined to tip after cashing.
It’s hard to know how much of the “staff” take goes to dealers. Way back in the day many venues called it “taking out a percentage for dealers”. Then they changed it to “staff” because it came to light that very little actually went to dealers in some of these events. I think if the venues made it clear how much actually went to dealers, this would be less of an issue.

Anyhow, I can’t speak as to whether the Venetian dealers make decent money in tournaments compared to cash. But the fact of the matter is the majority of dealers across the country make a lot less in tournaments. And that is simply because you cannot usually take enough money out of the prizepool in many buy-in levels to both pay the dealers a decent amount and also have an event anyone would want to play.

Of course, this all has nothing to do with the question of why it has become the norm for players to be responsible for the majority of dealers’ compensation. Sure there are good dealers and bad dealers, but it all sort of evens out in the end and nobody is exactly getting the sort of personal service one would expect to be part of a tipping paradigm. Basically making it so dealers (in all games) are beholden to player generosity is just a other way the casino industry takes advantage. Of course, they seem hell bent on getting rid of dealers altogether, so I don’t see that changing any time soon.
01-04-2022 , 12:28 AM
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Originally Posted by riverph7 North East Poker Tournaments ( is Borgata,WSOPC, Parx)
I see the light at the end of tunnel!!

It’s atleast 4 months away.

But I hear rumbling of Borgata Spring Poker Series in early April .

Cheers !
The rumbling I was talking about will become reality soon. Borgata has finalized and soon coming out with the news of Spring Poker open in April.
01-04-2022 , 07:29 AM
The solution is start w 30bb stacks or level 4 and make the hourly worth it for dealers and house
01-04-2022 , 11:17 PM
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Originally Posted by FrankTheTankTapper North East Poker Tournaments ( is Borgata,WSOPC, Parx)
The solution is start w 30bb stacks or level 4 and make the hourly worth it for dealers and house
I think very few people would ever play an event which started with 30bb.
01-06-2022 , 12:24 AM
The real reason tournaments go down on the west coast and no longer on the east coast is the staggering difference in dealer pay, as well as state laws surrounding minimum wage structure. Dealers are paid $5/hour at Borgata and Parx. At the Venetian, Wynn and other Vegas strip casinos, dealers are paid $11/12. In LA and most of CA, dealers are paid $13/hour.

This is due to the minimum wage laws within these states. In CA, "tipped" minimum wage is the same as the state minimum wage- $15. It's the same deal in Nevada, tipped minimum wage is the same as minimum wage, only it's less there- $9.75. But in both states, dealers keep their tips above that wage rate. In contrast, in NJ, cash minimum wage is only $5/hr (coincidentally, the number Borgata etc pay their dealers). But the state requires "tipped" minimum wage to reach $13. In PA, cash min wage is only $2.83/hr, and tipped minimum wage only has to reach $7.25.

Because of this phenomenon, 1) dealers on the west coast are less reliant on tips, and so can be tasked dealing with tip-less tournaments 2) the supply of dealers on the west coast is greater than on the east coast bc the savvy dealer knows to flock to the west coast's higher pay and 3) the greedy east coast casinos have an incentive to keep their cost basis lower by relying on cash games (and our tipping) to fill the spread between the absurdly low min wage they pay their workers, and the "tipping" minimum wage.
01-10-2022 , 06:05 PM
My guess is that on the East Coast there is a huge dealer shortage.

At Foxwoods where they have started tournaments back up now twice a week, many of the regular dealers from before Covid are no longer there. My guess is that they got jobs in other industries to make ends meet during the pandemic or they moved.

It is frustrating that they aren't running tournaments at Foxwoods on consecutive days (or more than one tournament a day on the weekends). But it is also a little scary that they don't have mask mandates given how old the average player is.

When I played in the WSOP late last year there was a vaccine mandate for players but not dealers (because they were afraid there wouldn't be enough dealers if vaccines were required). Dealers did have to wear masks but not players.

Now due to the Omnicom variant, vaccines can't prevent the spread of Covid anymore so I would imagine that would make dealers even more scarce. Especially older ones. And younger dealers? Why would anyone go into that now when there is not going to be job guarantees in the event the pandemic surges again. Not even sure dealer schools are operating.

I keep checking to see if Parx and Borgota are going to run their big series but at this point I don't think it will happen in the near future. Hopefully the pandemic will subside in terms of hospitalizations and deaths and people will be willing to play again and deal.
01-11-2022 , 10:34 AM
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Originally Posted by Mr Rick North East Poker Tournaments ( is Borgata,WSOPC, Parx)
My guess is that on the East Coast there is a huge dealer shortage.

At Foxwoods where they have started tournaments back up now twice a week, many of the regular dealers from before Covid are no longer there. My guess is that they got jobs in other industries to make ends meet during the pandemic or they moved.

It is frustrating that they aren't running tournaments at Foxwoods on consecutive days (or more than one tournament a day on the weekends). But it is also a little scary that they don't have mask mandates given how old the average player is.

When I played in the WSOP late last year there was a vaccine mandate for players but not dealers (because they were afraid there wouldn't be enough dealers if vaccines were required). Dealers did have to wear masks but not players.

Now due to the Omnicom variant, vaccines can't prevent the spread of Covid anymore so I would imagine that would make dealers even more scarce. Especially older ones. And younger dealers? Why would anyone go into that now when there is not going to be job guarantees in the event the pandemic surges again. Not even sure dealer schools are operating.

I keep checking to see if Parx and Borgota are going to run their big series but at this point I don't think it will happen in the near future. Hopefully the pandemic will subside in terms of hospitalizations and deaths and people will be willing to play again and deal.
I played 2021 WSOP too. Played 4 events including ME. There wasn’t one dealer without mask during 10 or 12 days I played . ( Even they weren’t mandated)

      
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