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Old 03-18-2018, 10:46 AM   #1
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Are live tournaments softer than online tournaments?

Everyone knows that rule that says nl10 online cash games are equivalent to nl200 live. Is this for tournaments too? For example: "The Big $ 44 and has the same level of difficulty as pokerstars cup $ 440 live." Is this true?
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:33 PM   #2
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Re: Are live tournaments softer than online tournaments?

Just as the player pool in live will vary from table to table, so to will the tournament player pool in live events. Some will be tougher than others. Some will be populated by people on vacation for whom a small entry is no big deal (and yes, $440 would be a small entry for many people).

You will get people at tables who may be competent and you may see final tables where you question how in the hell they managed to get to the window to buy-in much less survive to that stage of a tournament.
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Old 03-18-2018, 12:51 PM   #3
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Just as the player pool in live will vary from table to table, so to will the tournament player pool in live events. Some will be tougher than others. Some will be populated by people on vacation for whom a small entry is no big deal (and yes, $440 would be a small entry for many people).

You will get people at tables who may be competent and you may see final tables where you question how in the hell they managed to get to the window to buy-in much less survive to that stage of a tournament.
You mean the field of these $ 440 tournaments would be as weak as the nl200 live cash players?
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Old 03-18-2018, 03:16 PM   #4
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You mean the field of these $ 440 tournaments would be as weak as the nl200 live cash players?
If by "nl200" you mean a standard $1/2 cash game, then yes. You will see some that are good but many more who are so ABC that you could play without looking at your cards.
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Old 03-18-2018, 03:48 PM   #5
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You will get people at tables who may be competent and you may see final tables where you question how in the hell they managed to get to the window to buy-in much less survive to that stage of a tournament.
LMAO.... Absolutely priceless.
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Old 03-19-2018, 07:31 AM   #6
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Re: Are live tournaments softer than online tournaments?

I just read thread title and LOLed.

I’d be more confident of accumulating chips at the 10k WSOP main event, than I would be at online 5c - 10c.
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Old 03-19-2018, 10:53 AM   #7
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LMAO.... Absolutely priceless.
But...am I wrong?
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:04 PM   #8
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No Michelle you are not wrong. I remember the WSOP championship where 99% of the entrants were not dead money. Now however I would say its swung 360 degrees. To me the WSOP main event is a donkfest with no prestige as it once was.
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Old 03-19-2018, 03:12 PM   #9
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No Michelle you are not wrong. I remember the WSOP championship where 99% of the entrants were not dead money. Now however I would say its swung 360 degrees. To me the WSOP main event is a donkfest with no prestige as it once was.
sure, donks with 10k to blow...
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:02 PM   #10
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There are many ways to get into the main donkfest ( eg;online events, sponsors, sats etc.) as well as rec players finding the funds or just dipping heavy into their piggy banks. I sense you assume having 10k implies your a competent player .
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Old 03-20-2018, 06:40 PM   #11
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I just read thread title and LOLed.

I’d be more confident of accumulating chips at the 10k WSOP main event, than I would be at online 5c - 10c.
crazy but true .
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Old 03-20-2018, 07:01 PM   #12
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No Michelle you are not wrong. I remember the WSOP championship where 99% of the entrants were not dead money. Now however I would say its swung 360 degrees. To me the WSOP main event is a donkfest with no prestige as it once was.
I think you meant 180 degrees.
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Old 03-25-2018, 11:02 AM   #13
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No Michelle you are not wrong. I remember the WSOP championship where 99% of the entrants were not dead money. Now however I would say its swung 360 degrees. To me the WSOP main event is a donkfest with no prestige as it once was.
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I think you meant 180 degrees.
Actually I loved DNuts original reference as it demonstrated his understanding of both basic Geometry and Modern Poker may be somewhat lacking.

Competency % is often a product of field size -- Are there +6000 players "worthy" of being the ME champ ? Realistically probably not. So if you want to go back just 20 years to 1998 and the field was something like 300 ....... okay Dnuts point might be superficially "valid" but the comparison is Apples to Oranges in my opinion.
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Old 03-25-2018, 12:55 PM   #14
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Re: Are live tournaments softer than online tournaments?

In the field of 6K, how many people (given reasonable distribution) are capable of winning the ME?
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:24 PM   #15
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yes
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:26 PM   #16
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Everyone knows that rule that says nl10 online cash games are equivalent to nl200 live. Is this for tournaments too? For example: "The Big $ 44 and has the same level of difficulty as pokerstars cup $ 440 live." Is this true?
thats the wrong way of looking it. there is a group of players who primarily play tournaments for a living and they are tough whether online or live. if they all play a live event and see value in it that it will be tough, same can be said for online. if everybody and their grandma play an event than its soft or the regs choose to skip an event.
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Old 03-25-2018, 05:32 PM   #17
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In the field of 6K, how many people (given reasonable distribution) are capable of winning the ME?
I only have 19 hours of college calculus and 6 hours of statistics classes in my background LOL I wouldn't even want to try and do that math LOL Actually trying to quantify any assumptions of various player skill levels is problematic IMO

We actually have seen a few individuals go deep in back to back years recently so one could argue that a skill set does exist to navigate the massive modern fields. An interesting question would be what number of players would you have to allow someone to PICK to win the main event for it to be an even money proposition.
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Old 03-25-2018, 10:42 PM   #18
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I only have 19 hours of college calculus and 6 hours of statistics classes in my background LOL I wouldn't even want to try and do that math LOL Actually trying to quantify any assumptions of various player skill levels is problematic IMO

We actually have seen a few individuals go deep in back to back years recently so one could argue that a skill set does exist to navigate the massive modern fields. An interesting question would be what number of players would you have to allow someone to PICK to win the main event for it to be an even money proposition.
Two tournaments is not nearly a big enough sample size to really say anything about the skill level of a player who has deep runs in those two years. If player x has a certain cash rate in typical tourneys with a few hundred entrants, and a larger cash rate in massive field events, then, assuming they have played a decent number of each, I think you could say that they have certain skills which are conducive to large field events.
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I only have 19 hours of college calculus and 6 hours of statistics classes in my background LOL I wouldn't even want to try and do that math LOL Actually trying to quantify any assumptions of various player skill levels is problematic IMO

We actually have seen a few individuals go deep in back to back years recently so one could argue that a skill set does exist to navigate the massive modern fields. An interesting question would be what number of players would you have to allow someone to PICK to win the main event for it to be an even money proposition.
if stu unger was alive he would of won it 10 times.
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