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Old 08-08-2018, 09:51 PM   #26
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Agreed. I think that's totally reasonable. I had similar thoughts when WPT licensed their name out to so some random small cardoom in Texas where it's arguably not even legal to run poker tournaments.

It's definitely a bad look to be associated, and a bit reckless to slap your brand on just anything. That's not the same thing as being liable though, and I think OP is just saying they are because he's desperate to draw attention to his situation.
Thanks man, thatís just perfect. I wonít argue with you about that. If thatís what you think, thatís your right.

Iíll say one more time: i donít think 888 should be the only one to blame, but itís such a shame that they putted their name in such a tournment and did not care about the result.
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Old 08-09-2018, 01:07 AM   #27
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You're 100% correct. If any company in any other industry sponsored an event, then they could and should be liable for costs as well. It is not lame for you to implicitly or explicitly say this. It is the case and 888 should be working just as hard as you to get you your money.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:28 AM   #28
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From what I gather, 888 did not organize this tournament. They're just advertisers. Why are you trying to drag their name into this?
Weird hostility from you towards OP throughout this thread.

888 were "official sponsors" which is a lot more than just being advertisers, and I don't see anything in his original post which appears to be misleading. As sponsors 888 may have covered themselves legally to avoid liability, but it is in their interests to try and get this made right, as the whole idea of sponsorship is to be associated with prestigious events. They have much more clout to make a fuss about this than an individual participant, and they probably have legal grounds to pressure the organisers to honour their obligations, so it is entirely reasonable for him to highlight their involvement.

Good luck, OP. These battles are very hard to win, but I hope you get some justice. I think it is worth contacting 888Poker representatives on these boards as well as locally, not complaining to them but asking if they can help bring pressure on the organisers. It sounds as if someone has made an unfair profit at your expense.
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Old 08-09-2018, 10:56 AM   #29
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You're 100% correct. If any company in any other industry sponsored an event, then they could and should be liable for costs as well. It is not lame for you to implicitly or explicitly say this. It is the case and 888 should be working just as hard as you to get you your money.
Thanks man! I think you got my point!

I don’t care if i’m going to be payd be CNE, the clubs or 888, But they should be aware that me not receiving os their problem as much as mine!
I feel like they think they’ve done enough aleready.
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:02 AM   #30
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Weird hostility from you towards OP throughout this thread.

888 were "official sponsors" which is a lot more than just being advertisers, and I don't see anything in his original post which appears to be misleading. As sponsors 888 may have covered themselves legally to avoid liability, but it is in their interests to try and get this made right, as the whole idea of sponsorship is to be associated with prestigious events. They have much more clout to make a fuss about this than an individual participant, and they probably have legal grounds to pressure the organisers to honour their obligations, so it is entirely reasonable for him to highlight their involvement.

Good luck, OP. These battles are very hard to win, but I hope you get some justice. I think it is worth contacting 888Poker representatives on these boards as well as locally, not complaining to them but asking if they can help bring pressure on the organisers. It sounds as if someone has made an unfair profit at your expense.
Tks bro!

I completely agree with everything you wrote.
Iím currently in contact with 888 headquarters in israel, but itís been 3 months already and not much has been done.
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Old 08-09-2018, 11:13 AM   #31
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OP has a right to feel cheated, and 888 has some responsibility here, as well, and maybe that includes total responsibility, as OP rightly assumed they were involved. You cannot get the benefits of a sponsorship and then claim no liability, especially in poker, where being legit is a huge reason someone would enter a tourney. I agree that the defense of 888 here is strange, and it suggests some ulterior motive. Not a good look at all.
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Old 08-09-2018, 12:26 PM   #32
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If this story is true, then sickening. I really feel for you OP.

The scammers are the people who organized and ran the tournament, they should be sued and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

If 888 sponsored the event then they bare some responsibility in my opinion as accessories and that's the consequence of failing at due diligence. They attached their name to something that turned out to be a scam. Expect to get a lot of pushback in the poker community considering the people who get a paycheck from 888, but just be persistent. The more negative publicity you give them the more eager they will be to pay you at least something.
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Old 08-09-2018, 03:48 PM   #33
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They attached their name to something that turned out to be a scam.
In good faith or bad faith? Did they know that would happen? Did they know the organizers of the tournament would fail to pay? The sponsor is not responsible for anything in this case other than possibly a quick apology and a point in the right direction for resolution.
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Old 08-09-2018, 06:03 PM   #34
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In good faith or bad faith? Did they know that would happen? Did they know the organizers of the tournament would fail to pay? The sponsor is not responsible for anything in this case other than possibly a quick apology and a point in the right direction for resolution.
Even if they didn't know what would happen and are not legally responsible for the debt, they attached their name to the tournament and vouched for it in order to promote their brand. They used the tournament and bought publicity both good and bad.

If OP puts them on blast, as he should, it may cost 888 more in negative publicity than it would to just negotiate a settlement and pay the man some money.

Next time, don't recklessly attach your name to something that may be a scam.
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Old 08-09-2018, 07:28 PM   #35
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OP has a right to feel cheated, and 888 has some responsibility here, as well, and maybe that includes total responsibility, as OP rightly assumed they were involved. You cannot get the benefits of a sponsorship and then claim no liability, especially in poker, where being legit is a huge reason someone would enter a tourney. I agree that the defense of 888 here is strange, and it suggests some ulterior motive. Not a good look at all.
Apreciated bro.

Tks for the support.
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Old 08-09-2018, 08:32 PM   #36
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OP, at the same time, what steps have you taken to file lawsuit and/or press charges on the actual scammers?
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Old 08-09-2018, 09:54 PM   #37
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OP, you should consider posting a poll in NVG to see what people here think. Plus, it would get viewed by more people and might rattle enough cages to help with possible resolution.
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Old 08-18-2018, 09:04 AM   #38
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The 888 involvement seems a bit sketchy. They were definitely presented as more than just advertisers. They should be trying to help.

But I guess I don't understand what actually happened. There was an overlay. Ok, those occur all the time. But what happened to the prizepool? is OP saying they missed the guarantee by like 70%?
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Old 08-21-2018, 05:05 AM   #39
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Unfortunately as sponsors, we can't blame Jack's Link Beef Jerky official sponsor, if the WSOP doesn't award a pay out

I think it's obvious he is blaming 888 because they are the only company big enough to even feel guilty and just pay him out.

I think you are in no position to make any demands. Start working out a payment plan to receive your pay out over time from the rake from future events.

It sucks, but being emotional about something like this might make them just ignore you as they don't even have the money. Payment plan going to be likely only way to get paid out and likely a payment plan over 2 or 3 years
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Old 10-06-2018, 10:55 PM   #40
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First off---Congratulations for your WIN
I'm new to the poker world and it's an unfortunate story. I wish you the best at getting your rightful winnings.

My suggestion/questions
Have you contacted 888?
Have you gone to twitter or social media?
#888

I understand 888 is not legally responsible for your payout
I agree with the logic that as official sponsors and the most recognizable name they will care. 888 can and should utilize their influence upon the tournament officials to get your money. 888 won't want this story getting attention. Use that to your advantage.

Make it very clear you will not rest until as many people as possible know not to got to their Brazilian national tournaments again because they don't pay.

Without players they have no rake; they have no business.

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Old 10-14-2018, 05:45 PM   #41
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First off---Congratulations for your WIN
I'm new to the poker world and it's an unfortunate story. I wish you the best at getting your rightful winnings.

My suggestion/questions
Have you contacted 888?
Have you gone to twitter or social media?
#888

I understand 888 is not legally responsible for your payout
I agree with the logic that as official sponsors and the most recognizable name they will care. 888 can and should utilize their influence upon the tournament officials to get your money. 888 won't want this story getting attention. Use that to your advantage.

Make it very clear you will not rest until as many people as possible know not to got to their Brazilian national tournaments again because they don't pay.

Without players they have no rake; they have no business.
OP won't be getting their winnings because the only person responsible for paying out these winnings doesn't have any money. If he takes legal action, the owner will just declare bankruptcy. I'd just take this on the chin and move on; after contacting 888 to see if they would do anything whatsoever. Clearly, the owner of the tournament is incapable of managing money.
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Old 10-17-2018, 09:24 PM   #42
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CNE owner had to sell there car and gave you 28K? Wow did you get an attorney? Your only option is legal action. Very unlikely you'll get the rest of the money.

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Old 11-08-2018, 10:08 AM   #43
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OP won't be getting their winnings because the only person responsible for paying out these winnings doesn't have any money. If he takes legal action, the owner will just declare bankruptcy. I'd just take this on the chin and move on; after contacting 888 to see if they would do anything whatsoever. Clearly, the owner of the tournament is incapable of managing money.
Yeah just take it on the chin. It's only £200k... said no sane person.
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Old 12-28-2018, 05:16 PM   #44
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Bet Guys, Whats up!

Itís been a while since i post here, and since that time, nothing much had happened.

Makes me said to read such comments as - take it up and move on. Poker community overall should be together, trying do avoid things like that to happen.

Iíll be posting here a link to my Instagram, posted yesterday all the story and made it public. Sorry that it isnít in english, but whatevs.

Iíll post a link to a public pettition as well, and iíd pretty much apreciate for those who sign it.

As a follow-up , 888 poker does not contact me for at least 3 months, since they closed their opperations in Brazil. O have the contact of the person who takes care of south Amťrica, but he doenít even bother to answer me on the phone.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Br5wL2KH...=1iyrayd5ptdc1

https://www.instagram.com/p/Br8L0Tqn...d=4wdtk111tpr5


https://secure.avaaz.org/po/communit...DORES/?lWDkLnb
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Old 01-07-2019, 03:39 PM   #45
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Bet Guys, Whats up!

Itís been a while since i post here, and since that time, nothing much had happened.

Makes me said to read such comments as - take it up and move on. Poker community overall should be together, trying do avoid things like that to happen.

Iíll be posting here a link to my Instagram, posted yesterday all the story and made it public. Sorry that it isnít in english, but whatevs.

Iíll post a link to a public pettition as well, and iíd pretty much apreciate for those who sign it.

As a follow-up , 888 poker does not contact me for at least 3 months, since they closed their opperations in Brazil. O have the contact of the person who takes care of south Amťrica, but he doenít even bother to answer me on the phone.

https://www.instagram.com/p/Br5wL2KH...=1iyrayd5ptdc1

https://www.instagram.com/p/Br8L0Tqn...d=4wdtk111tpr5


https://secure.avaaz.org/po/communit...DORES/?lWDkLnb
What was the actual prizepool? You never say.
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Old 01-07-2019, 11:31 PM   #46
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What was the actual prizepool? You never say.
It was a R$ 1.000.000,00 GTD tournment, and i Won R$200.000,00, but online got R$ 38.000,00 of it.
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Old 01-08-2019, 10:58 AM   #47
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Yep...

I did it. But did not receive my money.

I live in Brazil and there was a tournment announced for 1Kk guaranteed. There were 13 clubs involved and 888 poker was the sponsor.

It happened between may 1st 2018 to may 16th 2018.

There were advertising from 888 poker and Vivian Saliba, brazilian 888 poker pro team. There were advertising from poker clubs, federation presidents ( it was a National tournment, with 13 provinces participating and several of them had their poker presidents supoorting it.

Anyways... there was an overlay and they say they canít pay me now. What should i do?

Iíll post the tournment link UP here and i much apreciated any sugestions and actions taken.

https://www.tipmillion.com

http://brasilpoker.com.br/joao-marce...o-tip-million/

https://m.facebook.com/story.php?sto...280893247&_rdr

I follow the case and when reading here I would like to comment.
The OP is trying to get your money.
Here in Brazil he made all possible pressure including ridiculously posting on the Akkari Instagram.
Even though he is throwing away every now and then irresponsibly won the tournament and deserves to receive
The big problem is that the organizer does not have the money nor for the bus much less pay it.
He tried one thing unbelievable to lobby for other tournaments of the same organizer with the intention that the result of him collects to pay the OP, transefirndo its problem to the next winner, so it does not have my sympathy.
But he won the Tournament and is placing everyone as responsible.
888 as he has always been amateur not to see where he was wrapping his mark. Alias ​​888 of proof of how to never be a competitive website in Brazil with the choices it makes to represent you.
He came here to preach 888 which is the only one who can afford it.
There is a video on the internet in Portuguese where he blames 888 participating clubs and blames only the organizer who is certainly sorry he did.
My Portuguese is by google translate, I'm sorry, and history is the same.
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Old 01-10-2019, 05:01 AM   #48
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I follow the case and when reading here I would like to comment.
The OP is trying to get your money.
Here in Brazil he made all possible pressure including ridiculously posting on the Akkari Instagram.
Even though he is throwing away every now and then irresponsibly won the tournament and deserves to receive
The big problem is that the organizer does not have the money nor for the bus much less pay it.
He tried one thing unbelievable to lobby for other tournaments of the same organizer with the intention that the result of him collects to pay the OP, transefirndo its problem to the next winner, so it does not have my sympathy.
But he won the Tournament and is placing everyone as responsible.
888 as he has always been amateur not to see where he was wrapping his mark. Alias ​​888 of proof of how to never be a competitive website in Brazil with the choices it makes to represent you.
He came here to preach 888 which is the only one who can afford it.
There is a video on the internet in Portuguese where he blames 888 participating clubs and blames only the organizer who is certainly sorry he did.
My Portuguese is by google translate, I'm sorry, and history is the same.
First of all, iíd like to clear up about the so ďmentiomed videoĒ that you talk about. I was oriented by one of the owners of one of the clubs to shot this video, as it is, so HE could put pressure on the organizer... but, as iím not THAT stupid, i asked to a friend to shoot the video from another angle, where you can see this guy ďtelling me what should or shpuldnít beĒ in the video, IF i wanted to receive my money.

Iím not blaiming 888 so I can collect the money, iím blaming ALL the responsibles, including 888 Wich let their name be used in such a terrible event.

BTW, everything is well documented and safe in my phone, notebook and in the cloud. Every message, Šudio, photo, everything. If there is someone whoís covered up, itís me.
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:02 AM   #49
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It was a R$ 1.000.000,00 GTD tournment, and i Won R$200.000,00, but online got R$ 38.000,00 of it.
I didnít ask what the guarantee was. Or what you won. I asked what the prizepool was.
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Old 01-12-2019, 12:13 AM   #50
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I follow the case and when reading here I would like to comment.
The OP is trying to get your money.
Here in Brazil he made all possible pressure including ridiculously posting on the Akkari Instagram.
Even though he is throwing away every now and then irresponsibly won the tournament and deserves to receive
The big problem is that the organizer does not have the money nor for the bus much less pay it.
He tried one thing unbelievable to lobby for other tournaments of the same organizer with the intention that the result of him collects to pay the OP, transefirndo its problem to the next winner, so it does not have my sympathy.
But he won the Tournament and is placing everyone as responsible.
888 as he has always been amateur not to see where he was wrapping his mark. Alias ​​888 of proof of how to never be a competitive website in Brazil with the choices it makes to represent you.
He came here to preach 888 which is the only one who can afford it.
There is a video on the internet in Portuguese where he blames 888 participating clubs and blames only the organizer who is certainly sorry he did.
My Portuguese is by google translate, I'm sorry, and history is the same.
OP, are you really trying to get them to pay you from another tournament prize pool so you get your money and someone else gets shorted? If so, thatís a pretty scumbag move.
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