Agreed. I busted around the same level (1K/3K/6K) when short stacked and 88 < AK

I think even 7 or 8% would be fine. To make it that deep and not come away with anything feels pretty gross.

I disagree with the idea of increasing the payout percentage for these tournaments that have multiple flights with multiple re-entries because it dilutes the payout structure. I would prefer not to cash at all than to get a 1 or 2x payout or even worse... to make it really deep and get a lesser payout than it should have been because a bunch of extra people got a min cash.

For these kinds of tourneys with multple flights and rebuys, a payout of 5% OF ENTRIES almost always (if not always - at least in these OKLA tournies) ends up paying 10% OF HUMAN BEINGS.

This has been debated many times across the many threads related to Choctaw hosted tourneys where Poker Executives runs them. As such, I won't debate it again. I'm just expressing my opinion so as to log for Jimmy that NOT EVERYONE wants wants this payout percentage increased.

+1 to JennD. I have finished in top 10% but not top 5% of both of the 5% payout events I have played. It is definitely frustrating, but it will also be frustrating if they pay 10% in those events and then you end up getting 19th out of a couple thousand and you are amazed at how crappy your payout is.

Your stance on being disappointed with the payout for 19th doesn't make sense. The payout will be close to the same. Right now min cash was almost 4x at the 5% mark. With a 10% payout it will be close to 2x and the top of the list won't change much at all. This is really nice obviously and I used to love this structure. Over the years though I see it differently. Tournament players are not looking to min cash that is a given but you need those min cashews in order to hold you over for the final tables.

I also know that these tournaments are more aimed at the weekend guy that comes up from Dallas/Austin or wherever trying to make a big score. The problem with the 5% though is these people aren't making it that deep. Look at the day 2 field yesterday. there were very few faces I didn't recognize.

All in all I think it's a good thing to experiment once in a while with pay structures to see what happens. I do suggest the payout structure that seems to be working in a few places in tournaments like these.

Pay 10%, but still play down to the 7% range. 16-17 levels. This allows people to cash in multiple flights and should make stacks deeper on day 2 because people are more willing to bust in the last couple levels since they are already in the money. This also gets people that might only be there to fire one bullet to fire another because they got paid already.

5% payout is not the issue here. It sucks that Choctaw decides to bring back 7-10% of the players back for day 2 instead of 5%. If you bag in a re-entry tournament buying of <$500 then you should cash.

So do you want longer day 1s which are already 12 hours or whatever, or do you want worse structures?

Also, doing this adds new problems, see all the people who ***** about Winstar playing to the money in the River tourneys on Day 1.

Longer day 1 or removing a level would be okay with me for <$500 buying. River complains are mainly for the main event which was a $2,500 buy in.

But the complaints aren't structure-related, they are that it is inequitable to play a different amount of levels for each flight.

These tourneys already go pretty quickly as-is, and removing levels would be disappointing. I don't object to longer Day 1s, but lots of recs disagree, and I don't think we want to push them out of these tournaments.

Well said Jenn no reason for me to comment now.

The last several posts talking about payout structure dislikes (to which I believe everyone is entitled to their preference / opinion even when I disagree) made me think about something that I LOVE about these choctaw hosted multi-day multi entry tournaments....

And that is that these flights often dont last much longer than 9-9.5 hr and as such DON'T have a dinner break. For example, I played the $125 tourney a couple of weeks ago and the noon flight ended around 9:30. I LOVE not having a dinner break for these "shorter" flights because I always play worse after an hour or so food break. Lol I just grab a quick snack / sandwich at the 6PM break instead since I need some sort of sustenance.

Of course, for tourneys that play 12 or more hours a day, I want a dinner break even though my play will suck after. :-)

even with the 10% payout, the top 12% bags for day2.

I prefer 5% payout on smaller buying as long as you bag = you cash. Coming to day 2 is a complete waste if you bubble.

if you bag you cash, it means other days may play longer levels than other days...does that seem fair? Some flights may play 2-4 extra levels before you reach the payout.

THIS

Although, on this particular instance it worked out ok for me. I bubbled and said to myself "I'm not driving 3 hours for this" so went and played $1/2 for about 5 hours, ran like God, and then cashed out realizing I made $480... which was exactly what I spent in the tournament lol

How is it unfair? Each flight starts knowing they will play down to exactly n%, and be in the money. You don't know in advance which flight will play longer, and which will be done sooner. If there are advantages or disadvantages to being a big stack or a short stack in a flight that takes more or less time, you won't know when you register which stack you are going to be. It is not as if somebody can game the system here because of this time discrepancy.

I just don't see how there is any unfairness. If you do feel like you got an advantage or disadvantage, it is only in hindsight. That concern did not exist when you signed up.

You might as well say it's unfair that you got a tough table draw, or unfair that somebody else got a soft table draw. Yes, there is a discrepancy between you and them, but neither of you knew it going in, it was random.

I'm a big fan of getting to the money and then bagging, rather than stopping a few percentage points away from the money so all flights can be on the bubble together. It does create a different dynamic, but for some players, they aren't going to register for an event if they have to come back again and maybe not cash. And obviously those are going to be amateur players, not pros, who have that concern. So I think playing to the money, when reasonable to do so, gets more amateurs to enter the event.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

its usually the last flight that has the most number of entries and reentries.

But that doesn't mean it's the longest flight. Also the average stack is the same for each flight.

Does anyone know how long the levels are in the super sattelite rebuy tomorrow? It wasn't mentioned on the info page like usual.

Anyone have any vouchers for sale?

15 min levels I believe.

Try Poker Atlas.com. They have the structures, but show times in Eastern not Central. They say 2000 start stack, unlimited re entry for $50 and can rebuy any time stack below 2000. 3000 chip add on and $100 double add on after level 4. One seat for each $1125 in prize pool and you get a seat plus $25.

Don't think they did vouchers for this... I cashed in a nightly and didn't get a voucher, whereas I got one in January during the WSOPC for doing the exact same thing.

20 minute levels

They didn't do vouchers for this event.

Played my first two Senior events this series. Chopped the 2nd six ways for $4k. 😋 Not showing up on Hendon Mob for some reason.