In terms of the written rule, yes... And I understand that now.

In terms of fairness, I disagree with it. If it was easy enough for me to have recalled how it happened, how can it not have been for anyone else? If an attempt by the dealer to recount how it occurred proves unfruitful, then so be it... But it's the lack of even an attempt that's the affront here. It's forsaking what's judicious, for what's convenient... Just one (obviously biased) man's opinion.

I'd fold pre because TT > AT

you need two people to know how the cards came out. Other player could have argued that since you were in the hand, you were bias on the out come of the flop. the dealer couldnt reconstruct the flop correctly so the floor ramdomly picked a card out.

There wasn't even an attempt to reconstruct the flop correctly. That is my point... Who is to say there couldn't have been a "correct flop" if a dialog was initiated and a consensus was reached?

well did any1 else at the table speak up and was paying attention on how the flop came out? you need more than one person to verify/agree on how the flop came out.

If the floor failed to follow the TDA rule I guarantee you the player with the TT would probably be calling for the TD to make the decision. I'm surprised you accepted the floors decision and not asked for a higher ruling since you feel the floor was wrong.

I didn't really know what to do. I have such inexperience at live poker, I just assumed that the floor guy's decision was final and that elevating it beyond that wasn't possible.

I missed nothing. While you did point out your "noob" status, you also claimed it was a "bullsh*t ruling" even though it is following normal protocol.


The reason you can't just figure out the burn card is because of subjectivity and potential bias by the floor, dealer, and participating players. You were clearly arguing for a potential burn card and board because it benefited you. It may have been a different story if you didn't want those 3 specific cards and may have a shot at a slightly different board once the 4 cards are scrambled. There is also no guarantee that the order of the cards on the board match the order that they came out of the deck [Any dealer that has tried to spread a board with a well-worn deck that has become bridged can testify to that].

The rules need uniformity and that is why pretty much every major tournament series does the protocol of mixing the 4 cards up and randomly picking a card which will be the burn. It sucks when it happens and in my years of dealing, I've never put down a 4 card flop but the rules are meant to be consistent.

I was at the table when this happened. As soon as it happened I knew what was about to occur. The one thing i didn't really like was the floor not explaining what was going to happen before they did it. I tried to make it know what was going to happen but everyone was just talking about it.

Seems like in this situation the floor should announce what is oging to happen instead of just doing it. He heard it was a 4 card flop and he said flip em over and mix them up. So A10 guy was really confused at that point.

And I don't really know if anyone has said it yet but the reason for the rule is that you rarely can tell which card should be the burn. If the dealer knows for 100% what the burn card is he would have noticed the 4 cards before flipping them and spreading the flop

So i know this comes up every series and always gets shotdown but I feel like the 5% payout structure needs to go. Could possibly experiment with a 10% payout but play down to 5% in every flight? This gets us down to the same number of people for day 2, but pays out more people, has the potential to let people cash multiple times. And I think will overall bring in more money. People will no longer want to bag < 10bbs to try and cash they will alrady be in the money and get it in. Adding more entries in the process.

Anyone have thoughts on something like this??

Re:Phil and drumn... Thanks for your input. I have since moved on and in the process have learned something about live poker that I didn't know before. My take on it being a "bull**** ruling" was obviously out of frustration and inexperience.

Drumn, I agree about the 5% structure needing to go. It's hard enough finishing in the top 10%

Hey guys I live really close to the casino and came on here to looking to trade if someone wants to save on room and board I've been playing online poker for five years and I'm now living out here ready to start getting in live games. Willing to trade someone aroom and board and food if someone wants to cover an entry tournament fee.

Sounds like a win win for both wish I could go for this event.

Sent you a message with my number call me anytime your in Choctaw area or looking to go I'm looking to start playing live and then make a sponsored team I used to own a professional eSports team that was on TNT for a while playing counter strike I got out of that and I'm looking to gather players together so always open to meet new faces.

I tried I guess you can't I added you as a contact though .

Can you send me a message? Thanks

I would but for some reason I can't find it on the site to send messages email me at feldertyler724@gmail.com so I don't post my cell number on here lol.

Sent you an email.

Sweet I got it if anyone in the south west area would be interested in a possible team let me know in an email.

Both monster stack tourneys had low turnouts (about 350 last week and 270 yesterday) compared to previous ones.

The weekend tourneys should be better attended.

Well, the poker gods gave me a little redemption... just chopped the nightly $125 for $800, which considering that I had to play the first hand of the FT with 3 BBs and 7 spots paying... that's some pretty serious run good.

Hoping it continues tomorrow. Good luck anyone else in the $200K.

No big guarantee = low turn out


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I bagged a modest 73K... Anyone else in it for tomorrow?

Bagged 107k after being down to 4500 at the 600/1200 level. Had some good run good there and AA > AK on the second to last hand of the night for the full double up.

Busted 70th or so. AA < 22 Q24 board.

WE NEED TO GET THESE UPTO 10% payout. I get what you are trying to do with the 5%. It just takes so much money out of the poker economy it can't be good for the games. We want the fish to cash sometimes.