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Old 03-05-2012, 02:43 AM   #501
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Re: Chicago Poker Classic 2012 - Horseshoe Hammond (Chicago) Feb. 23 - March 5

Interesting situation. A good friend of mine (and a player I have a % of) William Gibbons has been playing in the Chicago Poker Classic. He won event 1, besting a field of 2600 players. He was awarded 25 points for winning this tournament. In addition, he made it to the round of 32 in the heads up tournament which awarded 5 points. The Chicago Poker Classic is attempting to say that he does not receive those points because that was not a cash. Unfortunately though they made the rules themselves and clearly listed them in the following link:
http://www.horseshoehammond.com/imag...ints_Rules.pdf

It clearly states that by finishing in 17th thru 32nd place players will earn 5 points in the heads up event. There is literally nothing in the rules stating that you have to cash to earn the points. They are now trying to say after the fact that you need to have cashed to earn the points and are not honoring the rules they put into place themselves. William and I all along have been planning out his schedule for this series based on the fact that he would be awarded these 5 points.

William Gibbons won the turbo tournament tonight for an additional 12.5 points. According to their initial rules he should have 42.5 points total and be in the lead for the Points Race which pays $50,000 to the winner, but due to them adjusting the rules mid tournament series they are now trying to say he has 37.5 points, one point behind the leader going into the final event, tomorrow at Noon.

I sincerely hope the Chicago Poker Classic will make this situation right as quickly as possible.


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Old 03-05-2012, 03:05 AM   #502
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Blurgh, busted final two tables of the main. Gl to the rest in, had some fun tables!
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Old 03-05-2012, 03:17 AM   #503
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Re: Chicago Poker Classic 2012 - Horseshoe Hammond (Chicago) Feb. 23 - March 5

CPC Event #10 drew 432 entrants and had a prizepool of $93,808. By day's end, 33 players remained. $22,036 to first.

See Day 2 chip counts HERE: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_5e...zZkSlUtUQ/edit
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Old 03-05-2012, 08:06 AM   #504
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Interesting situation. A good friend of mine (and a player I have a % of) William Gibbons has been playing in the Chicago Poker Classic. He won event 1, besting a field of 2600 players. He was awarded 25 points for winning this tournament. In addition, he made it to the round of 32 in the heads up tournament which awarded 5 points. The Chicago Poker Classic is attempting to say that he does not receive those points because that was not a cash. Unfortunately though they made the rules themselves and clearly listed them in the following link:
http://www.horseshoehammond.com/imag...ints_Rules.pdf

It clearly states that by finishing in 17th thru 32nd place players will earn 5 points in the heads up event. There is literally nothing in the rules stating that you have to cash to earn the points. They are now trying to say after the fact that you need to have cashed to earn the points and are not honoring the rules they put into place themselves. William and I all along have been planning out his schedule for this series based on the fact that he would be awarded these 5 points.

William Gibbons won the turbo tournament tonight for an additional 12.5 points. According to their initial rules he should have 42.5 points total and be in the lead for the Points Race which pays $50,000 to the winner, but due to them adjusting the rules mid tournament series they are now trying to say he has 37.5 points, one point behind the leader going into the final event, tomorrow at Noon.

I sincerely hope the Chicago Poker Classic will make this situation right as quickly as possible.


-Shane
Print out a hard copy of that now just in case it gets changed. And GL with it, he clearly should get the 5 points for the HU since that's what was published.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:49 AM   #505
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Busted 3rd in the 6-max. Was cheapleader for a good portion of tournament and went into 3-way with 60% of the chips, so I'm tad disappointed. The bad loose-passive dude sucked out a river gutshot on the river to tilt me early. All downhill from there.

Still, it was lots of fun, and at least the kid who shipped it seemed like a solid dude.
you talking about the 1seat? bald, glasses, white? I played 1/2 with him on friday night.....TERRRRRIBAD...i couldnt believe he FTed ANY event. Guess it just goes to show what a rungood can do....either way, tip my hat to him.
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:54 AM   #506
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Interesting situation. A good friend of mine (and a player I have a % of) William Gibbons has been playing in the Chicago Poker Classic. He won event 1, besting a field of 2600 players. He was awarded 25 points for winning this tournament. In addition, he made it to the round of 32 in the heads up tournament which awarded 5 points. The Chicago Poker Classic is attempting to say that he does not receive those points because that was not a cash. Unfortunately though they made the rules themselves and clearly listed them in the following link:
http://www.horseshoehammond.com/imag...ints_Rules.pdf

It clearly states that by finishing in 17th thru 32nd place players will earn 5 points in the heads up event. There is literally nothing in the rules stating that you have to cash to earn the points. They are now trying to say after the fact that you need to have cashed to earn the points and are not honoring the rules they put into place themselves. William and I all along have been planning out his schedule for this series based on the fact that he would be awarded these 5 points.

William Gibbons won the turbo tournament tonight for an additional 12.5 points. According to their initial rules he should have 42.5 points total and be in the lead for the Points Race which pays $50,000 to the winner, but due to them adjusting the rules mid tournament series they are now trying to say he has 37.5 points, one point behind the leader going into the final event, tomorrow at Noon.

I sincerely hope the Chicago Poker Classic will make this situation right as quickly as possible.


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Shane, IDK about you and your horse, but 50k is something i would be alil upset about...ever think about talking to a lawyer?
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Old 03-05-2012, 11:57 AM   #507
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^^^ also, maybe try to look online to see if you can find rules/results from past years....specifically, try to find someone who ONLY recieved points for the HU tourney...this might take a while, but could hold a lot or weight....
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Old 03-05-2012, 12:19 PM   #508
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you talking about the 1seat? bald, glasses, white? I played 1/2 with him on friday night.....TERRRRRIBAD...i couldnt believe he FTed ANY event. Guess it just goes to show what a rungood can do....either way, tip my hat to him.
Yeah that guy. He's a nice dude, so I don't want to trash him. He was just really loose passive, but also sort of erratic on when he actually would bet. It's one of those things where it is really hard to know where someone is at in the hand if they have no clue where they are themselves.

Still, I definitely donk-ed my last 600K into him pretty bad. It was weird, he bet the flop out of turn, and I think he felt a little embarrassed. For whatever reason, I decided that embarrassment was weakness. Of course instead the bet meant "I've got top two and can't wait to get money in the pot".
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such bs if paul gibbons doesnt get the $50k.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:10 PM   #510
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You are the scumbag if you are "taking awhile to call" with AK heads up on an K33 check raise. if you had problems with him earlier this is a SNAP call. imo this is a slowroll cause noone or their mother ever folds. tanking it is pathetic and for show for no reason
lol i hope his is a level...
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:15 PM   #511
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Whoever you're dealing with at the casino with respect to the HU points issue, tell him he needs to contact the casino's lawyers immediately before they award the $50K to the wrong person and get sued. This one isn't remotely close, they published rules and now aren't following them.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:16 PM   #512
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Whoever you're dealing with at the casino with respect to the HU points issue, tell him he needs to contact the casino's lawyers immediately before they award the $50K to the wrong person and get sued. This one isn't remotely close, they published rules and now aren't following them.
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Old 03-05-2012, 01:56 PM   #513
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Yeah that guy. He's a nice dude, so I don't want to trash him. He was just really loose passive, but also sort of erratic on when he actually would bet. It's one of those things where it is really hard to know where someone is at in the hand if they have no clue where they are themselves.

Still, I definitely donk-ed my last 600K into him pretty bad. It was weird, he bet the flop out of turn, and I think he felt a little embarrassed. For whatever reason, I decided that embarrassment was weakness. Of course instead the bet meant "I've got top two and can't wait to get money in the pot".
Couldnt agree more. Same exact stuff when i played with im earlier on in the week. My friend had his buddy at the FT with you; younger asian guy, took 4th. When i went up there to sweat him for alil, i saw the hand where the 1 seat 'accidentally' re-raised the seat with A9o PF. the 1 seat said "o well i jsut wanted to call but i guess if i put enough for a raise, then its a rasie"...or somethign like that. It was the hand that the 3 seat go felted. When the dealer said the the 1 seat had put enough chips out to make it a legal raise, the 2 seat guy said "are you angle-ing me, sir? what kinda amatuer type sh*t is this...we are at the fuggin final table...how do you make that kinda mistake with this kinda money on the line"...
Truth be told, i sincerely think it was an honest mistake. Talk about sick when 3 seat turns over KQoff for TPGK and 1 seat is a 7:1 dog, then, whaddya know? BINK BINK! sick game...anyways, congrat catbrains
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Old 03-05-2012, 02:06 PM   #514
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Re: Chicago Poker Classic 2012 - Horseshoe Hammond (Chicago) Feb. 23 - March 5

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Whoever you're dealing with at the casino with respect to the HU points issue, tell him he needs to contact the casino's lawyers immediately before they award the $50K to the wrong person and get sued. This one isn't remotely close, they published rules and now aren't following them.
William went to the casino this morning to try to discuss the situation with the tournament director and the TD told him he was unable to discuss the situation due to lawyers being involved. I was told by someone else familiar with the matter that management at Horseshoe is in a meeting discussing the situation currently. If anyone has any additional thoughts/suggestions they are greatly appreciated.

Thanks to everyone that has chimed in so far.

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Old 03-05-2012, 02:16 PM   #515
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If lawyers and management are involved that's probably good for you.
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Old 03-05-2012, 02:49 PM   #516
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Re: Chicago Poker Classic 2012 - Horseshoe Hammond (Chicago) Feb. 23 - March 5

Management came back and said: We have never given points to people who do not cash. Apologies for the misunderstanding.

A ton can still happen today in this last event. From the looks of things, there are still 20 people who can win the points race. If this issue ends up being the difference between William winning or not we will pursue our legal options.

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Old 03-05-2012, 03:01 PM   #517
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Wow. GL with the lawsuit if it comes to that.
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Wow. GL with the lawsuit if it comes to that.
Yes, and keep us updated!
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Old 03-05-2012, 03:44 PM   #519
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Ah yes, the infamous 4-bet not-all-in with like 15BB effective. It was a perfect combination of 1-seat being passive and noob-ish and 3-seat really really not wanting to bust out. But yeah, sick run-out.

That Asian kid seemed to be a solid player, just couldn't get much of a stack at the FT. He was the last victim of my rungood when I shoved K9s from my SB to his BB and he woke up with AT. Spiked a K on the flop.

Thanks. The best news for me is that I was on the fence about going to the WSOP this year before this cash, so now I can definitely justify it.
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:26 PM   #520
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+1 for the HU points being awarded for the HU finish out of the money, that's what they published....
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Old 03-05-2012, 05:53 PM   #521
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Print out a hard copy of that now just in case it gets changed. And GL with it, he clearly should get the 5 points for the HU since that's what was published.
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Old 03-05-2012, 06:01 PM   #522
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Also you should see if anyone else deserves 5 extra points. Maybe someone else close to the point lead finished where you did in the heads up and also deserves more points.
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Old 03-06-2012, 04:21 AM   #523
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After an eight-hour final table, Anthony Marsico can call himself a Chicago Poker Classic Main Event Champion. He beat out 359 other entrants and was awarded $266,000 for first place.

Read the final report and see all results HERE: https://docs.google.com/file/d/0B_5e...XozSUF2Zw/edit
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Old 03-07-2012, 01:35 AM   #524
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Does anyone in this thread have the contact information of the tournament director Bob Smith, or the assistant tournament director Steve Frasier? Thanks
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reach out to their Facebook/twitter. they're typically pretty good about responding to requests.
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