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Old 04-28-2018, 06:23 PM   #26
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Re: Big-Blind Ante (BBA) - Benefit/Drawback Analysis

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SB eliminated moving button?
dead button. button stays where it is and bb is now sb next hand.
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Old 04-28-2018, 09:10 PM   #27
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Re: Big-Blind Ante (BBA) - Benefit/Drawback Analysis

So, no tournaments use moving button?

Not that this matters much. The fact that some hands have no small blind (dead button) is accepted by all.
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Old 04-28-2018, 10:48 PM   #28
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Re: Big-Blind Ante (BBA) - Benefit/Drawback Analysis

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So, no tournaments use moving button?

Not that this matters much. The fact that some hands have no small blind (dead button) is accepted by all.
moving button is only cash game setting.
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Old 05-02-2018, 12:30 AM   #29
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Re: Big-Blind Ante (BBA) - Benefit/Drawback Analysis

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BBA "potential" drawbacks

1) It has been theorized that the BBA may lead to more passive play overall. This may result in the potential benefit #1 listed above, but it also may result in tournaments taking longer to break down. Longer tournaments would present a direct negative economic impact on venues, and likely have an indirect negative effect on all players, in the form of rake, or other structural changes made necessary by these effects of the BBA.
Have read nearly every post on this between all the 2p2 "forum warriors" and haven't really said much because it's pretty much the same people saying the same thing over and over again. However, with this point, I would argue that tournaments don't actually take longer because structures are more sped up in the beginning and generally have a level removed over traditional antes.

I don't really care how venues decide to do level 1-3(or 4/5/6)etc but many of the structures take a level less to get (for example) BB 1000 so that will already speed up the tournament just by pure mathematics.
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Old 05-02-2018, 02:38 AM   #30
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Re: Big-Blind Ante (BBA) - Benefit/Drawback Analysis

What is the point of having $1,000 WSOP M=68/36/25 for the first 3 levels w/ no ante when you can have 51/27/20 with an ante? No ante basically forces a turbo mode for levels 4-6 to catch up.

Level 1 w/ no ante is almost a complete waste of time, allowing players to show up late with no penalty.
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Old 05-02-2018, 11:10 PM   #31
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Re: Big-Blind Ante (BBA) - Benefit/Drawback Analysis

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Have read nearly every post on this between all the 2p2 "forum warriors" and haven't really said much because it's pretty much the same people saying the same thing over and over again. However, with this point, I would argue that tournaments don't actually take longer because structures are more sped up in the beginning and generally have a level removed over traditional antes.

I don't really care how venues decide to do level 1-3(or 4/5/6)etc but many of the structures take a level less to get (for example) BB 1000 so that will already speed up the tournament just by pure mathematics.
Well, I hypothesized TDs would have to something like tweak structures if the BBA does lead to a slower breakdown rate.
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