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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Playing 400/800/100 at a 6 handed table, cost per orbit is 1800 or 300 per hand.
Playing 400/800/100 at a 7 handed table, cost per orbit is 1900 or ~270 per hand.
Playing 400/800/800 at a 6 handed table, cost per orbit is 2000 or ~330 per hand.
Playing 400/800/800 at a 7 handed table, cost per orbit is 2000 or ~290 per hand.
So BBA increases this “inequity” by about 10 chips per hand at 400/800. Is 1/80 of a big blind per orbit significant in your opinion? Or is this inequity something that just “feels” bad, like you claim the traditional ante delays are?
Your analysis is incorrect because it treats an orbit at the 6 player table the same as an orbit at the 7 player table. They obviously differ in the amount of hands played, and therefore you cannot treat an "average" hand at the 6 player table the same as an "average" hand at the 7 player table. In order to analyze the inequity you need to consider both tables playing the same number of hands. That analysis was first done (to my knowledge within these forums), by Greg Raymer in this post...
https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...1&postcount=58
The only flaw in his analysis is that he assumed the BBA would be equivalent to the same number of players paying the standard ante. That is obviously not how it's been typically structured and, instead, the BBA is equal to the BB. But if you do the same sort of analysis with the typical current BBA structure you get similar results.
I don't know where Greg stands with regards to the BBA and referencing his post here is only to provide the correct way to look at the inequity
Anyhow, If you consider the 6 vs 7 handed example and the blind levels like you suggested...
Standard Ante
7-handed: plays 42 hands (6 orbits), pays 1900/orbit, or 11400 over the 6 orbits = $271/hand
6-handed: plays 42 hands (7 orbits), pays 1800/orbit, or 12600 over the 7 orbits = $300/hand
The inequity with standard antes is 29 chips, or 10.5%
BBA
7-handed: plays 42 hands (6 orbits), pays 2000/orbit, or 12000 over the 6 orbits = $286/hand
6-handed: plays 42 hands (7 orbits), pays 2000/orbit, or 14000 over the 7 orbits = $333/hand
The inequity with BBA is 47 chips, or 16.7%
So the inequity with BBA is 58% worse than standard antes.
Again, increased luck factor. You can do the same sort of analysis (and I did) for a variety of structures and table imbalance scenarios. The effect of the BBA is not always the same but in my investigation it is always at least 30% worse, and in some cases can be nearly twice as bad (as it is with 200/400/50 vs 200/400/400 and 9 vs 10-handed tables, where the BBA is 83% worse than standard antes).
And these inequities are on a per-hand basis, so they add up quickly. Anyhow, like I have said before, a person may care or not care about this increased luck factor. But it seems that enough people do care that TDs are going to all sorts of lengths to try and minimize them.
Last edited by akashenk; 02-15-2019 at 09:19 PM.