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Everything they do is wrong? WSOP and its brand is booming. Can’t even walk down the hallway sometimes due to crowds and people getting their picture taken in front of the sign.

Occasionally posters have reading comprehension issues as well as the need to contradict people for no good reason. Be that as it may, I definitely agree with you here. The late release of details surrounding the 2024 WSOP is indeed anti-player. I wonder if we will ever find out what caused it. If the schedule is more or less the same as last year, it will certainly cause players to wring their hands and speculate.

Some speculated changes this year.



https://pokerfuse.com/news/live-and-...-years-series/

FINALLY, the moment we've all been waiting for! I present to you the 2024..

Just a few more days.. weeks.. months.

BOOM!!

I need to know this very instant! If this drags out until 2/15 I’m a dinosaur. Have to know what time to make reservations for at Jj’s Boulelangerie on 6/6.

The payout structure for lots of large field events at the WSOP and beyond definitely need to be reviewed. Once you get to a point, the difference, for example, between 1MM and 1.2MM, or 500k and 700k is hard to justify when it leads to less meaningful min-cashes and final tables, etc. This is especially true at the WSOP where most of the large field events are 3+ days long.

As for the rest, none of these speculated changes seem to have much to do with logistics, so they still don’t explain the delay. I’m hoping there’s a really good reason, like they’re doing construction and adding another room. Or maybe moving things around compared to previous years. I guess we’ll
See

Haha I’ll take that as a good sign.

I’m just hoping the monster stack is somewhere around Juneteenth bc I get that day off from work so I can stagger vacation use around it to gain an extra day in vegas. Either that or some smaller buy in good value tournys around July 4.

Flatter payouts would be nice, but they seem to believe that a gigantic first prize is what attracts interest.

As for the delays, is it too cynical to think WSOP-P would naturally have interfered with their planning? I imagine it ate up a lot of their attention in late 2023, which was time that otherwise could've been spent planning for summer.

This isn’t 2010 anymore. IMO there are a lot more players now, even those who consider themselves recs, who are more savvy than there were back then. Most players realize that first place is a completely lottery and extremely unlikely. And as players cash and run deep, the super top heavy prizepools become all the more annoying for all but a scant few lucky participants. The WSOP tournaments are long. They should provide a better return on time for large segments of the field.

As for the delay, anything is possible. But I’m not sure how the WSOP P would have precluded them from releasing a weekend schedule. Unless they are planning on major changes, those events seem to be boilerplate nowadays.

I'm in favor of flatter payouts, but bear in mind that they got amazing turnout last year, including a record field in the Main Event.

The idea that there's widespread support for flatter payouts is questionable when turnout and participation are so strong.

The dog thinks he is pulling the cart !!

The management of WSOP is thinking they are the one who is responsible for success of WSOP !!

True enough. But who’s to say they aren’t missing out on revenue? There’s a thread I started in this topic related to the Wynn WPT event in December. They had a REALLY successful $1100 event where finishing in the top 1% of a 10K+ field only netted 6x on a single entry. Venues just need to start thinking a little differently about payout structures on these multi-reentry, 3+ day events or interest will diminish.

And I don’t think making something which is popular better is a bad idea. I would be curious if there are those who would object to more meaningful min-cashes and payout progressions and what those objections would be.

I think many pros would prefer more top heavy payouts, since they're the favorites to final table over recs. But there are way more recs playing in these super large field events, and I would imagine most/all of them would prefer a flatter payout. I know that WSOP gets input from professionals on structure, schedule, and possibly payouts, but not so sure they solicit feedback from the recs, who make up a large part of the WSOP series. Who wants to start a Rec Advisory Board to the WSOP

Lucky for us some of the "pro's" realize that even though we recs don't necessarily fixate on payout structure as an event criteria that a flatter payout structure doesn't kill our bankroll as fast . In the long run their own enlightened self interest of larger sheep flocks to shear and not slaughter works to their advantage.

I am no pro, but I believe those pros who make a living playing poker (as opposed to living off of appearance fees and sponsorships), and especially those who play a lot of poker tournaments, realize that really steep payout structures take more money out of the poker economy than they should. This is good for only a tiny minority of players who are lucky enough to have super deep runs in any given year. This is not good for the vast majority of pros. It is also not good for the venues. Again, taking money out of the economy and giving it to a tiny minority of players is no way to grow a market.

The lottery aspect of tournaments will always exist, but it doesn't have to be so extreme. At some point a price will be paid in attendance. I mean, post COVID, I feel like poker has been buoyed in much the same way as other markets with the enormous influx of cash into people's hands. This is obviously unsustainable, and any sort of negative economic scenario could really hurt things. If the venues aren't listening to the vast majority of their customers, they really need to start doing so, or else these mega fields we are seeing right now may become a distant memory.

I agree 100%. My only question is, is there a good vehicle or process for people to provide feedback to these venues so that they have an opportunity to hear it, outside of people complaining on messages boards and forums? BTW, no one here should be taking offense to my use of the word "complaining" in this previous sentence

This is a good question. It is possible to build personal relationships with decision-makers. But that certainly shouldn’t be required. I think “complaining” within as many social media forums as possible should be ok. I realize online behavior and attitudes are not what one may prefer, but these outlets are no different than modern suggestion boxes. Venues should be open to hearing the complaints and giving them the consideration they deserve.

It’s the good suggestions to complain in as many social media as possible.

But this year delays makes me think that no one is listening as they thinks no matter how we treat , players will come anyway.

Good point. Top heavy payouts make recs hesitate to fire a lot of bullets, and recs make up the vast majority of players in the 10k+ runner events. I remember last year in the payout line, a guy that played in the same tourney that I did, literally asked out loud "What? Why did I re-enter when I only win 43 bucks after running fairly deep?".

Setting aside the reason for the delay (and I’m still leaning towards competitive gamesmanship) I think it would have been better public relations to come out in early January and tell folks the schedule release would not work the same this year. This is, of course, if the cause for the delay was anticipated. If it wasn’t, then they really should try to provide some sort of explanation.

As far as whether they take their customer base for granted, that’s hard to say. But it’s plausible.

Talk to one of our own - Kevmath. Does anyone see him at the tournaments any more? I don't get around much, just get to my events and that's about it. I haven't seen him in several years.

https://www.wsop.com/news/2024/Feb/1...-SCHEDULE.html

https://www.wsop.com/2024/2024-WSOP-Schedule.pdf