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06-09-2024 , 01:06 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Poker News isn't going to bite the hand that feeds it. They get special access and they don't want to piss off the entity that gives it to them.
I’m not looking for the poker media to criticize the WSOP for its response, though they probably do deserve some criticism. I’m just looking for an acknowledgment that something very much out of the ordinary happened. It’s called news.
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06-09-2024 , 02:21 PM
It may not be as out of the ordinary as some think. On the strip alone, there are serious medical emergencies everyday. Thankfully, many survive (yay, modern medicine!) but some do not.

I dont necessarily disagree with your sentiments, but from the casino (tourism) perspective, nothing good comes from publicizing or even acknowledging the tragic event.

The majority of people are unaware it happened. Informing them, while also reminding those that are aware, doesn't go with the "lets have fun" atmosphere they need to promote. Death doesn't make people want to gamble. It's not personal, it's just business.

Last edited by 2RedCards; 06-09-2024 at 02:48 PM.
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06-09-2024 , 02:41 PM
Have heard multiple stories of people dropping dead in poker rooms.

Unfortunately, I don't think it's anything too unusual for the big operators.
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06-09-2024 , 03:02 PM
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Originally Posted by 2RedCards
It may not be as out if ordinary as some think. On the strip alone, there are serious medical emergencies everyday. Thankfully, many survive (yay, modern medicine!) but some do not.

I dont necessarily disagree with your sentiments, but from the casino (tourism) perspective, nothing good comes from publicizing or even acknowledging the tragic event.

The majority of people are unaware it happened. Informing them, while also reminding those that are aware, doesn't go with the "lets have fun" atmosphere they need to promote. Death doesn't make people want to gamble. It's not personal, it's just business.
What it is is incredibly insensitive to the guy’s family, as well as the many players who were in the vicinity. This wasn’t just a medical emergency in a hotel or casino or giant cruise ship. It was in the midst of a competitive event.
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06-09-2024 , 04:29 PM

Just went on to Bravo to register for Collossus on Sunday the 30th. There is no registration button like all the others. Do they sell out?
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06-09-2024 , 05:32 PM
Highly unlikely. I'd just check again tomorrow.

I can't see the event selling out, especially with an extra starting flight added this year.
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Yesterday , 02:14 AM
A little off topic here but I’m vegas and damn there are a lot of euro players (have played Venetian mtts so far). Wonder if folks here think the euros are better than American players? I feel they are better as a general guideline but still some really bad euros also- I mean there are good/ bad American players also but I feel mtts with mainly American players only during non wsop times are much softer.
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Yesterday , 02:49 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
A little off topic here but I’m vegas and damn there are a lot of euro players (have played Venetian mtts so far). Wonder if folks here think the euros are better than American players? I feel they are better as a general guideline but still some really bad euros also- I mean there are good/ bad American players also but I feel mtts with mainly American players only during non wsop times are much softer.
Euros will always think they’re better than Americans because they continued to play online while we didn’t. We just like to let them believe they’re better to keep them coming back year after year.
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Yesterday , 02:56 AM
Stands to reason that if you're willing to fly halfway around the world to play some poker tournaments, you're probably better than the average local/native. You'd see the inverse in Europe. Any American traveling for WSOPE or EPT is probably a pretty strong player or they wouldn't bother.
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Yesterday , 09:19 AM
What others said, theres way more american recs in las vegas than euros. Any euros traveling here are more pro heavy/here for the summer, etc.
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Yesterday , 10:10 AM
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Originally Posted by DogFace
Highly unlikely. I'd just check again tomorrow.

I can't see the event selling out, especially with an extra starting flight added this year.
You were correct, the registration button was there this morning. Thanks
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Yesterday , 12:07 PM
Do Horseshoe/Paris/Wynn all have reliable WiFi for playing online tournaments at the table while playing live?

Are you allowed to use a laptop at the table, or phones/tablets only?
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Yesterday , 01:15 PM
Please don’t be the guy playing online poker on your phone/laptop while also playing live.
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Yesterday , 02:14 PM
How cold is it inside tournament areas?
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Yesterday , 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by rarerabbit
How cold is it inside tournament areas?

Cool but not icebox cold in my experience so far.
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Yesterday , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
Cool but not icebox cold in my experience so far.
It's usually pretty cold first thing in the morning, but once all the warm bodies pile in it warms up pretty quickly to the cool-not-cold level. Haven't been yet this year (arrive on Thursday - can't wait!) but I know last year I usually started the day wearing a warmer hoody and then changed into a lightweight long-sleeved pullover after a couple hours.
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Yesterday , 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
There are two issues here which are likely related, but not the same. The first is how the WSOP handled the situation. I’ve seen/heard of gamblers dying in casinos before. That is certainly not something new. And of course, when you have large gatherings of people, chances are, some of them die from time to time. But I think there’s something a little crass about the ways this was handled. This was not just some business that has a lot of customers. It was an event where a participant was fighting for his life.

If something like this happened to a participant of a golf tournament I doubt they’d continue teeing off right next to the guy as EMTs tried to save his life.

The WSOP could have delayed the start of the event for an hour while the situation was being handled. Delays happen all the time for much less serious circumstances. They literally stop events to have interviews and play national anthems where 99% of the people in the room could not care less. I think this was handled poorly by the WSOP, irrespective of the actual attention the guy got. There was probably nothing which could have saved his life.

The second issue is the fact that there has been scant coverage about this. I think an acknowledgment from Jack Efffel at the start of yesterday would have been nice. He didn’t have to go into any great details in order to protect the privacy of the guy’s family. But at least something. We hear flowery speeches from WSOP reps all the time. At least acknowledge what happened and remind people that we are there to play a game and real life does still happen. Even at the WSOP.

And even irrespective of that, and the WSOP’s desire not to hurt the “vibe”, there are both regulars and poker-specific “news” agents all over the place. The fact that I cannot find a report from one of them is staggering. Just goes to show the power of the gaming industry in protecting itself. Again, this is not a good look for anybody. The second something controversial happens between players, Poker News would be all over it. But someone keeling over and dying while play goes on and nothing?
A couple months ago a guy was stabbed in the neck on the casino floor at the Muckleshoot (near Seattle). He died on the floor. The casino put up partitions around the body as the police investigated. The table games just 30 feet away did not miss a hand. The greed by casinos (and patrons) can be disgusting in such situations.
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Yesterday , 07:16 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
There are two issues here which are likely related, but not the same. The first is how the WSOP handled the situation. IÂ’ve seen/heard of gamblers dying in casinos before. That is certainly not something new. And of course, when you have large gatherings of people, chances are, some of them die from time to time. But I think thereÂ’s something a little crass about the ways this was handled. This was not just some business that has a lot of customers. It was an event where a participant was fighting for his life.

If something like this happened to a participant of a golf tournament I doubt theyÂ’d continue teeing off right next to the guy as EMTs tried to save his life.
This situation reminds me of my first year as a Deutsch Mark options trader on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. A trader in the crowded D-Mark futures pit stumbled and dropped to the center of the pit during a particularly busy morning, apparently having a heart attack. As he laid motionless on the ground, surround by hundreds of traders, the world's trading in D-Mark futures came to a complete halt..... for about 15 seconds! Then, as the traders in the pit realized there was nothing they could do, they began yelling bids and offers over the top of their fallen comrade while he was still on the ground. Not even a man dying on the floor a few feet away could stop the flow of the FX markets. After about 10 minutes, the paramedics arrived and dragged him out of the pit.
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Yesterday , 07:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Commish
A couple months ago a guy was stabbed in the neck on the casino floor at the Muckleshoot (near Seattle). He died on the floor. The casino put up partitions around the body as the police investigated. The table games just 30 feet away did not miss a hand. The greed by casinos (and patrons) can be disgusting in such situations.
I’ve seen this happen, with sheets instead of a partition. Unseemly as it is, this is a little different than the situation at the WSOP. In that case nearby players didn’t have a choice to leave.


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Originally Posted by IhateJJ
This situation reminds me of my first year as a Deutsch Mark options trader on the floor of the Chicago Mercantile Exchange. A trader in the crowded D-Mark futures pit stumbled and dropped to the center of the pit during a particularly busy morning, apparently having a heart attack. As he laid motionless on the ground, surround by hundreds of traders, the world's trading in D-Mark futures came to a complete halt..... for about 15 seconds! Then, as the traders in the pit realized there was nothing they could do, they began yelling bids and offers over the top of their fallen comrade while he was still on the ground. Not even a man dying on the floor a few feet away could stop the flow of the FX markets. After about 10 minutes, the paramedics arrived and dragged him out of the pit.
This is also somewhat different than the situation at the WSOP. Perhaps even worse. In any case, we see this happen all the time where bystanders just watch or film life-threatening events occurring. This is probably made worse by the handful of circumstances which are widely reported where someone who tries to help is a) killed themselves, or b) sued by the people they are trying to help or c) charged with a crime by the government.
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Yesterday , 08:19 PM
If you register on bravo, can you show up late and receive a full stack, or will you be assigned a table at start of tournament and be blinded out until you arrive?

I am flying in day 1c of the colossus, and would be happy to avoid the late reg lines.
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Yesterday , 09:24 PM
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Originally Posted by rarerabbit
How cold is it inside tournament areas?
It was pretty cold in the bowels of one of the Horseshoe rooms. Not as bad as the old Pavilion could get though.
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Today , 12:17 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
What it is is incredibly insensitive to the guy’s family, as well as the many players who were in the vicinity. This wasn’t just a medical emergency in a hotel or casino or giant cruise ship. It was in the midst of a competitive event.
100% agree with you.

Contrast this with a tournament I was playing in Harrah's Tunica in the mid 2000s. Guy had a heart attack and they stopped the tournament and cleared the room. Not sure what life-saving measure were needed, but they wheeled him out on a stretcher and he survived.
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Today , 05:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Efourdee
If you register on bravo, can you show up late and receive a full stack, or will you be assigned a table at start of tournament and be blinded out until you arrive?

I am flying in day 1c of the colossus, and would be happy to avoid the late reg lines.
If you register before the tournament starts, your chips will be in play and blinded off. It doesn't matter if you live reg or on Bravo. If you register after the tournament starts "late registration" you will receive a full stack. They are keeping the 5 & 10 seats chips in the well.

If this is the 1st tournament you are playing and you register on Bravo you will still need to go to the WSOP FasTrac in the Champagne ballroom to confirm your payment method and get your seat card. I you play any more tournaments using the same payment method, you can print your seat cards at one of the kiosks.
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Today , 05:30 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
It was pretty cold in the bowels of one of the Horseshoe rooms. Not as bad as the old Pavilion could get though.
I have played in both Paris and Horseshoe, I feel like Paris is colder, it's probably just feels warmer in Horseshoe because the tables are very cramped. Neither were bad for me, but I'm fat
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