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06-02-2024 , 04:43 AM
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Originally Posted by DogFace
Game freezes once you hit the milestone. You can't go over and not advance.

I've only played one, but felt like a lot of scared money and people looking to chop the remaining equity instead of playing for the milestone.
They can do that?

It seems like a number of people will leave the tournament with more than 10x the starting stack. That means there will be less than 10x the starting stacks of all remaining chips. How do they resolve that? At some point there could be 3 players left and 250k total chips left. If they only pay 2 remaining players, they'll be ripping off the players. They'll be collecting, say, 100 entries but only paying out 9 seats instead of 10.
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06-02-2024 , 11:26 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
They can do that?

It seems like a number of people will leave the tournament with more than 10x the starting stack. That means there will be less than 10x the starting stacks of all remaining chips. How do they resolve that? At some point there could be 3 players left and 250k total chips left. If they only pay 2 remaining players, they'll be ripping off the players. They'll be collecting, say, 100 entries but only paying out 9 seats instead of 10.
The prizepool is the same, they still award the same number of seats.

E.g. 3 players left. 2 seats left. One player gets knocked out. The remaining 2 players get seats.

These milestones have been a thing for 2 years now. As long as it's structured correctly for (x) chips milestones vs 1 in x buyin. It all works out.

And to whoever said its less cost to the casino, its probably a wash as you need more floors if its a bigger one since it's more labor intensive throughout. Maybe you break down a table 10mins early because you lost one extra player to a milestone but its a wash since there's more open seats.

Also 100 entries usually only results in 9 seats anyway because of the rake. (I know it was your example but the prizepool will always be the same, there's no ripping anyone off).

It def benefits players that can accumulate chips but all that means is the hourly goes up for those players as they dont just need to sit there till sub 10BB average.
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06-02-2024 , 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
They can do that?

It seems like a number of people will leave the tournament with more than 10x the starting stack. That means there will be less than 10x the starting stacks of all remaining chips. How do they resolve that? At some point there could be 3 players left and 250k total chips left. If they only pay 2 remaining players, they'll be ripping off the players. They'll be collecting, say, 100 entries but only paying out 9 seats instead of 10.
I wondered this too.

It seems like people won't always leave the tourney with exactly 10X the starting stack. The last pot you win will likely push you over by some amount. If, say, the milestone is 200k, but each time someone gets there they are taking 210k or 220k chips out of the tourney, doesn't that end up reducing the number of seats they award?
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Yesterday , 03:41 AM
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Originally Posted by dimeat
The prizepool is the same, they still award the same number of seats.

E.g. 3 players left. 2 seats left. One player gets knocked out. The remaining 2 players get seats.

These milestones have been a thing for 2 years now. As long as it's structured correctly for (x) chips milestones vs 1 in x buyin. It all works out.

And to whoever said its less cost to the casino, its probably a wash as you need more floors if its a bigger one since it's more labor intensive throughout. Maybe you break down a table 10mins early because you lost one extra player to a milestone but its a wash since there's more open seats.

Also 100 entries usually only results in 9 seats anyway because of the rake. (I know it was your example but the prizepool will always be the same, there's no ripping anyone off).

It def benefits players that can accumulate chips but all that means is the hourly goes up for those players as they dont just need to sit there till sub 10BB average.
Nah, they just charge more for the buy-in. That's how they do everything else. Like if the the seat value is 10k the buy-in might be 1050 or 1100 instead of the true value of 1000.
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Yesterday , 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Nah, they just charge more for the buy-in. That's how they do everything else. Like if the the seat value is 10k the buy-in might be 1050 or 1100 instead of the true value of 1000.
Not with the increased rake nowadays. Most rake is not even anymore.

E.g. the 1100s are 985+115.

100 entries results in 9 seats plus 8500 dollar for the 10th person. Which is close because the rake is relatively close. But not exact. It takes 102 entries to generate 10 seats.

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Yesterday , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by Fletcher2323
I wondered this too.

It seems like people won't always leave the tourney with exactly 10X the starting stack. The last pot you win will likely push you over by some amount. If, say, the milestone is 200k, but each time someone gets there they are taking 210k or 220k chips out of the tourney, doesn't that end up reducing the number of seats they award?
No it does not.
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Yesterday , 11:48 AM
There are some structure sheets that are not correct though.

The 580 main megas are 1 in 20 but only 10x milestone so there will be no seats left with players left in those ones because wsop didn't do those ones correctly and copy pasted 10x milestone.

Those should be 20x but wsop doing wsop things.

The milestone should always be more or the same as 1 in x. The wynn does it correctly to ensure it doesn't happen.
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Yesterday , 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Fletcher2323
I wondered this too.

It seems like people won't always leave the tourney with exactly 10X the starting stack. The last pot you win will likely push you over by some amount. If, say, the milestone is 200k, but each time someone gets there they are taking 210k or 220k chips out of the tourney, doesn't that end up reducing the number of seats they award?
Let's say 200K is the milestone, and there is 1M chips in play, enough for 5 seats. As you state, each milestone winner will likely remove more than 200K in chips. If the first 4 seats are won by milestone winners, and they remove a total of 900K in chips, there is only 100K chips left in play. At that point, of the players left, the last one who wins all 100K of those chips will get a seat. If at any time the number of players left equals the number of seats still available, then everybody left gets a seat.
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Yesterday , 09:58 PM
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Originally Posted by Greg (FossilMan)
Let's say 200K is the milestone, and there is 1M chips in play, enough for 5 seats. As you state, each milestone winner will likely remove more than 200K in chips. If the first 4 seats are won by milestone winners, and they remove a total of 900K in chips, there is only 100K chips left in play. At that point, of the players left, the last one who wins all 100K of those chips will get a seat. If at any time the number of players left equals the number of seats still available, then everybody left gets a seat.
Is that information put on the tourney clock? Like number of seats left, number of chips left?
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