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02-26-2022 , 10:23 PM
Anyone have advice for adding some lower variance small field mtts to my package to have a chance when I go this summer. I might play some of the smaller wall events like the $777 (3 bullets), $1111 (1 bullet), $600, $400 (2 to 3 bullets), $500 (2 separate events). I'm going for 3 weeks most likely and wanna add some smaller field events in the $300-600 range so not just cheap dailies.

I assume the daily wsop events and maybe one of the more unique series like aria\ Grand \ Orleans. I like daily mats bc they tend to be super soft but don't see them as a good option when the buying is 150-200 or less. I'm a big fan of the Venetian events but they also tend to get huge fields. Wynn is also nice but feel the structured are a little too quick vs Venetian mtts.
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02-27-2022 , 12:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Jkpoker10
Anyone have advice for adding some lower variance small field mtts to my package to have a chance when I go this summer. I might play some of the smaller wall events like the $777 (3 bullets), $1111 (1 bullet), $600, $400 (2 to 3 bullets), $500 (2 separate events). I'm going for 3 weeks most likely and wanna add some smaller field events in the $300-600 range so not just cheap dailies.

I assume the daily wsop events and maybe one of the more unique series like aria\ Grand \ Orleans. I like daily mats bc they tend to be super soft but don't see them as a good option when the buying is 150-200 or less. I'm a big fan of the Venetian events but they also tend to get huge fields. Wynn is also nice but feel the structured are a little too quick vs Venetian mtts.
I played last year's equivalent of the $600 WSOP event that's scheduled for 6/27 and it's a good one to hit because you get 40 minute levels on day one and 60 minute levels on day two. It still becomes a shove fest once the blinds get high enough, but I doubt you're going to find a better value in that price range. It's low variance in the sense of having a soft field and a good structure, but...it's likely to have 5k+ players this year, so you might make the FT once in a lifetime.

For a low budget option, I've always liked the daily $250 at the WSOP that runs during the series. You'll get some good play for that price point, though it will also become a luckfest once the levels get high and start really mowing down stacks. In my experience, it's hard to avoid that at a three figure price point because ultimately these venues want to give you a few hours of play for your entry fee and then start breaking the tables rapidly so they can get it over with.

I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but Orleans/Nugget are going to be the "budget" options ($100-250) for scheduled MTTs. Aria, Wynn, and Venetian will have stuff in the $400-1000 range. The $250 2PM at the WSOP is another budget option, as mentioned previously.

Without schedules, it's hard to get much more specific right now.

I'm in the same boat, looking to fill out my schedule with some low variance stuff in the $250-500 price range. My hunch is that I'll be hitting the scheduled $400 events at Aria and the $250 2PM at Bally's once or twice. To get good structures at a low price point, the weekend events at the Nugget might be interesting. Then you're looking at guaranteed prizes and large fields though. I don't know that there's a good way during the summer to get small fields AND good structure AND low-ish entry fees all in the same event. It feels like you need to pick 1-2 of those.
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02-27-2022 , 01:21 AM
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Originally Posted by DogFace
I played last year's equivalent of the $600 WSOP event that's scheduled for 6/27 and it's a good one to hit because you get 40 minute levels on day one and 60 minute levels on day two. It still becomes a shove fest once the blinds get high enough, but I doubt you're going to find a better value in that price range. It's low variance in the sense of having a soft field and a good structure, but...it's likely to have 5k+ players this year, so you might make the FT once in a lifetime.

For a low budget option, I've always liked the daily $250 at the WSOP that runs during the series. You'll get some good play for that price point, though it will also become a luckfest once the levels get high and start really mowing down stacks. In my experience, it's hard to avoid that at a three figure price point because ultimately these venues want to give you a few hours of play for your entry fee and then start breaking the tables rapidly so they can get it over with.

I'm probably not telling you anything you don't already know, but Orleans/Nugget are going to be the "budget" options ($100-250) for scheduled MTTs. Aria, Wynn, and Venetian will have stuff in the $400-1000 range. The $250 2PM at the WSOP is another budget option, as mentioned previously.

Without schedules, it's hard to get much more specific right now.

I'm in the same boat, looking to fill out my schedule with some low variance stuff in the $250-500 price range. My hunch is that I'll be hitting the scheduled $400 events at Aria and the $250 2PM at Bally's once or twice. To get good structures at a low price point, the weekend events at the Nugget might be interesting. Then you're looking at guaranteed prizes and large fields though. I don't know that there's a good way during the summer to get small fields AND good structure AND low-ish entry fees all in the same event. It feels like you need to pick 1-2 of those.
Thanks for the info. For the WSOP events, I assume all of the mtts I plan to play will have over 2k runners which IMO I consider super high variance regardless of a perceived edge one may have over a soft field. Winning a 1k+ player field is a high variance type thing (or even just finishing top 3 which is normally where the money is for lower buy in events for profit).

Are the daily’s super soft? I would be happy playing a $250-400 daily mtt with an ok structure that isn’t the greatest. I played a lot at Venetian in 2021. I found the daily type events (nightly $150-300s) extremely soft compared to the standard 2 day $400-800 deepstack events. I’m fine playing a mtt like this if it’s super soft- idk mind playing shove/ fold late bc I find that type of tourny strat easy and ok if just a 1 day tourny.


From studying the 2019 schedule- the $400 1 day events at aria seem to be nice (not sure about structure). Also I wanna try to play a $300-200k at the orleans if they run an event like that again. It’s kinda bummer that planet Hollywood poker is no longer around. Their schedule looked pretty cool from 2019.

I’m not a fan of playing cash honestly so I don’t plan to play any when I got. My ideal thing would be to throw in some mtts at the $200-600 level that had say 100-200 player fields if possible bc 5-6k player fields is just insane variance. This is my only poker trip for the year so I wanna try to get as much volume in as possible. I would like to average 1.4-1.6 mtts a day if possible over 3 weeks to get a lot of play in. (I realize if I somehow go deep in an event or 2 or make a day 2 at Venetian, this task will be tough to hit).
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02-27-2022 , 03:42 AM
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Are the daily’s super soft? I would be happy playing a $250-400 daily mtt with an ok structure that isn’t the greatest. I played a lot at Venetian in 2021. I found the daily type events (nightly $150-300s) extremely soft compared to the standard 2 day $400-800 deepstack events. I’m fine playing a mtt like this if it’s super soft- idk mind playing shove/ fold late bc I find that type of tourny strat easy and ok if just a 1 day tourny.
The 2PM $250 is going to be a relatively easy field. Table draw matters, but in my experience it's on the tighter/more passive side. I probably played it 5-6 times over the years when it was at 1PM, so I have some frame of reference. It has a decent structure and the prizes can be pretty high at the top. It's a good event to play, but you're likely looking at 500-1000+ player pools this year if they publicize it well. Winnable, but a longshot.

The 5PM $400 turbo is going to be a tougher and more competent field. In my experience that one tends to have some pretty solid players in it. I think because it's at night and the stakes are higher, it attracts a few more quality players. It plays pretty fast and will become a shovefest right around the time of the bubble. But if your short stack game is strong and you don't mind the variance, it's a fun one to play. It tends to have a much smaller field than the $250 and the top prizes can get big.

They used to have a 10PM $150, which will be the 9PM $200 this year. Another turbo that plays very fast. With the lower entry fee, it tends to attract a weaker pool. It's a very casual tournament that moves fast.

Aria has historically had nightly $240s that will be very playable and decent for the price.
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02-27-2022 , 08:00 AM
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I mean the Monster is pretty clearly going to be a much slower and deeper tournament, but it also costs 3x as much, so kind of depends on your roll, etc. If I could comfortably play either, but could only pick one, I'd play the Monster. But is the Monster worth same as the Housewarming PLUS two other $500 tourneys, or another $1k, etc.? Closer.
The competition will likely be be significantly different.
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02-27-2022 , 08:07 AM
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I'm playing the Monster. I'm not rich enough to play the ME, so for me the Monster will be my ME. Deep starting stacks. One hour levels. Two starting flights. Significant prize pool. It's going to feel like a prestigious major tournament and get very fun if you happen to run deep.

I've played stuff like the Giant and Colossus in past years. It's fun from a pure spectacle standpoint, but the fields are so huge as to become almost insurmountable and the day ones feel kind of clowny with the massive player pool and re-entry. It's fun to get in there and splash around in these events, but it's not going to feel like a high level tournament unless you happen to get pretty deep.

I can relate to your dilemma because I'm trying to decide whether to burn most of my budget on 2-3 prestige events or spread myself out between a lot of cheaper stuff to reduce variance and increase the chances of a deep run in something. I'm going to take more of a middle ground between the two extremes. If you only have the time to play one thing, the Monster is going to be a better event than the $500 lottery.
Field size doesn't matter all that much. You only play one table at a time and people get knocked out of the low entry ones quicker. I like them because if I manage to encounter just a few donaters, their chips carry me farther than my skill can. I know there's almost no chance to make it to day 4 or 5, but I never got past day 1 in the "normal" sized tournaments. I technically bagged the Monster, but that was because I entered late.
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02-28-2022 , 10:34 AM
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The competition will likely be be significantly different.
Different, but not significantly different IMO and IME. The Monster will be a decent amount softer overall than even a regular $1500 freezeout, partially due to field size, partially due to it being a tourney that lots of small stakes recs use to take their big shot, because of the structure.

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Field size doesn't matter all that much. You only play one table at a time and people get knocked out of the low entry ones quicker. I like them because if I manage to encounter just a few donaters, their chips carry me farther than my skill can. I know there's almost no chance to make it to day 4 or 5, but I never got past day 1 in the "normal" sized tournaments. I technically bagged the Monster, but that was because I entered late.
Field size matters a ton in variance of results and moderately in field strength. Everything else being equal, a larger field is weaker than a smaller one (everything else being equal in case anyone wants to say OMG are you saying a Flamingo $80 nightly with 30 runners is tougher than the Poker Players Championship or whatever).

And for variance of results, imagine it this way - you are the best player in a 9 player sit n go that plays every week. At the end of a year, you are very likely to be ahead, b/c the variance is much smaller based on the small field. Your skill has more chance to dominate results over the luck factor. Now instead imagine that you played 52 tournaments with several thousand players in each, and stipulate that you were the best in each. Now, there is a significant chance that you will be down at the end of the year, because there is simply a significant luck factor needed to advance in any single tournament through thousands and thousands of runners. You have to never get coolered, and never lose an all-in when covered. If you get AA vs KK all in preflop 10 times, winning all 10 is about an 11% shot. Obviously if you ever get it in worse than that, you have even a lesser shot.

I enjoy playing large field tourneys, and the huge prizes up top are fun and exciting, so I'm not trying to say don't play them. But there is a significant reason to work in smaller field tournies to smooth variance, especially if you aren't super deeply bankrolled.
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03-01-2022 , 03:20 AM
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Different, but not significantly different IMO and IME. The Monster will be a decent amount softer overall than even a regular $1500 freezeout, partially due to field size, partially due to it being a tourney that lots of small stakes recs use to take their big shot, because of the structure.
You were comparing the Monster to $500's. Many of the people that play 500's, never play 1500's, and those people are worse than the typical 1500 player. Of course, the last time I played the Monster I had friggin Greg Raymer at my table.
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03-01-2022 , 03:56 AM
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Booking early paid off for me, as I got a much better rate than what Caesars are offering now. Going 6/5-6/13. Paying about $750 for 8 nights at LINQ and Bally's. The schedule is about what I expected based on recent years, so I'll have some good options for events to play.

Compelling stuff in my price range:

6/06 - $600 NLHE
6/07 - $1500 NLHE 6-max
6/09 - $1000 NLHE
6/10 - $1500 NLHE Monster Stack
6/12 - $800 NLHE

Probably can't afford all that, so may need to pick and choose.

Gonna see what the other venues drop to sprinkle into the mix. Expecting we will hear from Nugget, Venetian, Aria, and Wynn soon.
The Monster won't finish til the 15th and the $800 will play all day on the 13th. Is your schedule flexible if you go deep?
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03-01-2022 , 04:26 AM
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The Monster won't finish til the 15th and the $800 will play all day on the 13th. Is your schedule flexible if you go deep?
Yeah, if I make a day two then I'll just drop something else. Current plan is to play day 1B of the Monster. My thinking is that the Saturday flight is preferable since it will draw more overnight tourists and filter out some of the better players who advance from day 1A and then take Saturday off. Probably going to be a bigger and slightly weaker field than Friday's day 1A. Also means you get to jump into day two straight away instead of spending a day off.

It looks like about 30-35% of the field goes on to day two in the Monster based on recent years, so there's a decent chance it'll extend into Sunday for anyone who plays it.
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03-01-2022 , 01:14 PM
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You were comparing the Monster to $500's. Many of the people that play 500's, never play 1500's, and those people are worse than the typical 1500 player. Of course, the last time I played the Monster I had friggin Greg Raymer at my table.
Hey, I was NOT "friggin" at the table. I only do that in private. Please, this is how harmful rumors get started.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
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03-01-2022 , 01:54 PM
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You were comparing the Monster to $500's. Many of the people that play 500's, never play 1500's, and those people are worse than the typical 1500 player. Of course, the last time I played the Monster I had friggin Greg Raymer at my table.
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Hey, I was NOT "friggin" at the table. I only do that in private. Please, this is how harmful rumors get started.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
I am old school.If I had you on my table, I would have said Big Gun Champion Greg Raymer was at my table. I am sure Pig4Bill meant to say same but in new school style

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03-01-2022 , 06:35 PM
seems like housewarming and colossus are absolute similar structures, no? both seem ok for low buy in event or am I missing something
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03-01-2022 , 06:40 PM
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I am old school.If I had you on my table, I would have said Big Gun Champion Greg Raymer was at my table. I am sure Pig4Bill meant to say same but in new school style

Heck I would have " Frigging" taken Raymer out just like I did Barry Greenstein last year if he was "mature" enough to play the Super Senior - Greg's just a pup. I've got a couple more years before I worry about him LOL.

Actually if I'm lucky enough to win or lose the flip (like I did with Mr Greenstein) I will shake his hand either way and tell him how much I enjoyed how he handled Mike M so many years ago.
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03-01-2022 , 06:42 PM
Housewarming starts with 50k chips and Colossus 40k, but Colossus has 40 minute levels throughout, where Housewarming has 30 minute levels on Day 1.

The last level going up to 6 hours of play, Colossus is playing 1000/1500-1500, for 4k per orbit, so start stack is worth 10 orbits. In the last level up to 6 hours of play, HW is playing 2000/4000-4000, for 10k per orbit, so start stack is worth 5 orbits.

First level of Day 2 for Colossus is 6/12-12, so 30k per orbit. First level of Day 2 for HW is 30/60-60, so 150k per orbit. So a start stack is worth 1.3 orbits in Colossus and 0.3 in HW.

Seems pretty clear that Colossus is going to be a deeper, slower structure.

Looked up the S-Points and Housewarming is 78 and Colossus is 102, so yep.

Last edited by Black Aces 518; 03-01-2022 at 06:55 PM.
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03-01-2022 , 10:29 PM
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Housewarming starts with 50k chips and Colossus 40k, but Colossus has 40 minute levels throughout, where Housewarming has 30 minute levels on Day 1.

The last level going up to 6 hours of play, Colossus is playing 1000/1500-1500, for 4k per orbit, so start stack is worth 10 orbits. In the last level up to 6 hours of play, HW is playing 2000/4000-4000, for 10k per orbit, so start stack is worth 5 orbits.

First level of Day 2 for Colossus is 6/12-12, so 30k per orbit. First level of Day 2 for HW is 30/60-60, so 150k per orbit. So a start stack is worth 1.3 orbits in Colossus and 0.3 in HW.

Seems pretty clear that Colossus is going to be a deeper, slower structure.

Looked up the S-Points and Housewarming is 78 and Colossus is 102, so yep.
thats nutty that 400$ is better than 500$ but I know its close, thats pretty crazy. that colussus structure is pretty solid then.

I didnt know the S points was out yet I tried to factor it in but I didnt caluclate correctly.

seems colossus is better structure according to you and the math. thank you
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03-01-2022 , 11:01 PM
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thats nutty that 400$ is better than 500$ but I know its close, thats pretty crazy. that colussus structure is pretty solid then.

I didnt know the S points was out yet I tried to factor it in but I didnt caluclate correctly.

seems colossus is better structure according to you and the math. thank you
Yes for any tournaments S points please follow The link of other thread by RealMcCoy:

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/6...-tool-1803759/
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03-02-2022 , 04:07 AM
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Hey, I was NOT "friggin" at the table. I only do that in private. Please, this is how harmful rumors get started.

Thanks, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)
I said "friggin Greg Raymer", the friggin is an adjective. If I had said "Greg Raymer friggin" it would be more like an adverb or verb.

Aren't lawyers supposed to be English experts?
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03-02-2022 , 04:11 AM
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Housewarming starts with 50k chips and Colossus 40k, but Colossus has 40 minute levels throughout, where Housewarming has 30 minute levels on Day 1.

The last level going up to 6 hours of play, Colossus is playing 1000/1500-1500, for 4k per orbit, so start stack is worth 10 orbits. In the last level up to 6 hours of play, HW is playing 2000/4000-4000, for 10k per orbit, so start stack is worth 5 orbits.

First level of Day 2 for Colossus is 6/12-12, so 30k per orbit. First level of Day 2 for HW is 30/60-60, so 150k per orbit. So a start stack is worth 1.3 orbits in Colossus and 0.3 in HW.

Seems pretty clear that Colossus is going to be a deeper, slower structure.

Looked up the S-Points and Housewarming is 78 and Colossus is 102, so yep.
Did Kenny put out his list yet?

I tried to look at the google doc that was mentioned, but it doesn't like my browser and doesn't load well.
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03-02-2022 , 04:17 AM
Pig, its not loading well at all for me either. doesn't load it up really
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03-02-2022 , 09:20 AM
I'm playing in the 6/6 $600 deepstack. I've never been to a WSOP before. I'm staying at Flamingo so as to have a short walk to the venue. Any advice for a first timer? Strategy, hookers, best cocaine, time management, eating on the run, etc is appreciated.
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03-02-2022 , 10:38 AM
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I'm playing in the 6/6 $600 deepstack. I've never been to a WSOP before. I'm staying at Flamingo so as to have a short walk to the venue. Any advice for a first timer? Strategy, hookers, best cocaine, time management, eating on the run, etc is appreciated.
1) Sign up the day before the event to avoid the worst of the lines for the huge events
2) This year since the layout will be new to all of us what room is what is going to be a challenge so after you get your entry find the room you start in.
3) Locate the nearest bathrooms
4) Backpack with water and snacks
5) ENJOY IT - win lose or draw you are only a NEWBIE to the WSOP ONCE. We all want to "WIN BIG" but we all should Expect to lose the vast majority of the times we sit in ANY tourney. So just enjoy the experience.
6) Play your own natural style - Personally my WORST performances have been when I tried to CHANGE my style prior to the WSOP. I may intellectually understand GTO and can recognize when someone is utilizing it but the reality is it is NOT me and I make the most grievance mistakes when I attempt to.
7) Don't be afraid of busting -scared money can't win - play in events you can afford.
8) Understand your table image - and UTILIZE that perception when you make your actual plays.
9) PAY ATTENTION to the other players - Enjoy but concentrate.
10) Smoke is legal in Nevada - plenty of outlets - Can't help you with the Coke and Hookers though
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03-02-2022 , 11:02 AM
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I'm playing in the 6/6 $600 deepstack. I've never been to a WSOP before. I'm staying at Flamingo so as to have a short walk to the venue. Any advice for a first timer? Strategy, hookers, best cocaine, time management, eating on the run, etc is appreciated.
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1) Sign up the day before the event to avoid the worst of the lines for the huge events
2) This year since the layout will be new to all of us what room is what is going to be a challenge so after you get your entry find the room you start in.
3) Locate the nearest bathrooms
4) Backpack with water and snacks
5) ENJOY IT - win lose or draw you are only a NEWBIE to the WSOP ONCE. We all want to "WIN BIG" but we all should Expect to lose the vast majority of the times we sit in ANY tourney. So just enjoy the experience.
6) Play your own natural style - Personally my WORST performances have been when I tried to CHANGE my style prior to the WSOP. I may intellectually understand GTO and can recognize when someone is utilizing it but the reality is it is NOT me and I make the most grievance mistakes when I attempt to.
7) Don't be afraid of busting -scared money can't win - play in events you can afford.
8) Understand your table image - and UTILIZE that perception when you make your actual plays.
9) PAY ATTENTION to the other players - Enjoy but concentrate.
10) Smoke is legal in Nevada - plenty of outlets - Can't help you with the Coke and Hookers though
If you are coming to Las Vegas for all of the thing you mentioned ,can be done wherever you are except WSOP experience.

If your main goal is to achieve something out of your first WSOP experience follow words of wisdom from RealMcCoy. The best advice you will ever get !!
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03-02-2022 , 11:06 AM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
1) Sign up the day before the event to avoid the worst of the lines for the huge events
2) This year since the layout will be new to all of us what room is what is going to be a challenge so after you get your entry find the room you start in.
3) Locate the nearest bathrooms
4) Backpack with water and snacks
5) ENJOY IT - win lose or draw you are only a NEWBIE to the WSOP ONCE. We all want to "WIN BIG" but we all should Expect to lose the vast majority of the times we sit in ANY tourney. So just enjoy the experience.
6) Play your own natural style - Personally my WORST performances have been when I tried to CHANGE my style prior to the WSOP. I may intellectually understand GTO and can recognize when someone is utilizing it but the reality is it is NOT me and I make the most grievance mistakes when I attempt to.
7) Don't be afraid of busting -scared money can't win - play in events you can afford.
8) Understand your table image - and UTILIZE that perception when you make your actual plays.
9) PAY ATTENTION to the other players - Enjoy but concentrate.
10) Smoke is legal in Nevada - plenty of outlets - Can't help you with the Coke and Hookers though
My flight lands around 8:30 pm the evening before. Can you register 24/7 cuz i'll also need to reactivate my Total Rewards card in order to register.
Will there be lots of vendors to buy rubbish from like hats, t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc.?
As far as my own image, I like to load up on hard boiled eggs and cabbage and break wind to put opponents on tilt.
I don't actually do drugs, I was being funny with those questions. Nor do I pay for strange.
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03-02-2022 , 11:46 AM
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My flight lands around 8:30 pm the evening before. Can you register 24/7 cuz i'll also need to reactivate my Total Rewards card in order to register.
Will there be lots of vendors to buy rubbish from like hats, t-shirts, sweatshirts, etc.?
As far as my own image, I like to load up on hard boiled eggs and cabbage and break wind to put opponents on tilt.
I don't actually do drugs, I was being funny with those questions. Nor do I pay for strange.
Yes Registration is open 24 hours . I am not sure about TR card. But they might be open too.
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