The potential for causing a panic, even with fake guns, is why I am okay with Caesars banning Scotter Clark for wearing his costume around well outside of his contracted duties. A lifetime ban is excessive, but a few years seems reasonable.

Yeah, but imagine if it had been a real active shooter. You want a law abiding CWP holder around you when everyone else is helpless because they are all unarmed. The bad guys are never unarmed. See that shooting in Illinois (I think) where the guy with a gun saved no telling how many people. Politics aside, you are never going to stop criminals from having guns. As a combat veteran, I really liked being able to fight back rather than cower in fear.

Does anyone know what they did about stacks of chips knocked to the ground during the stampede?
I guess they can reconstruct them from cameras?
I wasn't sure that was possible....

Context should matter though. They confiscated his props. That should have been enough.

And if they’re going to take it so seriously (and I am not opposed to them doing so), then he shouldn’t have been allowed to have the props in the first place, even if he was hired.

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What exactly did 400 well trained good guys with guns at Uvalde? Waiting more than one hour to take out one guy. I can't think of what actually could happen at WSOP if one good guy would discharge his gun by mistake , or if he feels threatened or so on... Chaos!!!

They were props, why can't anyone see this. They were probably also replicas of flintlock pistols that look nothing like modern weapons. Plus, they hired the dude to wear the costume. The entire banning thing is so insane it is insane. Even if they were real, those flintlocks were so unreliable and inaccurate, the entire thing is a nod to politics entirely. The proof is that so many people are supporting it, the same people who would rather die than have someone with a gun to save them and/or their family.

My first experience at the WSOP. Time to get a lot off my chest.

I had previously seen the Rio wsop set up, but never played there. Ballys/Paris was nice a nice change from Rio.
I was expecting better air conditioning, I found the room a little too warm. Others pined for the colder days of Rio.
Ballys hallway was narrow and at, break time, it was like a stampede in a subway tunnel. Ballys is a little beat up, but I think it will look so nice next year with the horseshoe flip.

I stayed at the Flamingo and was able to walk to Bally's poker room in 10 minutes by cutting through the Cromwell valet and crossing Flamingo Blvd at the light. My reservation was made over a month in advance for a king bed for 17 nights. They forced me and my wife into 2 Queen beds in the farthest away room, and refused to move me to King bed on another date. No apologies. Not even a free dinner.

Their policy is that they only reserve a room for you. No promise of anything else, I was told to try another day. Tried on two different days for a king bed and was basically laughed off. They already have my money, and the hotel is close to/full occupancy. Also crazy long lines for check in. If you aren't a diamond card holder, they treat you like steerage in the Titanic.

I didn't mind the lines to reg, they were expected and I was paying cash. However, to buy into the mini main took 30 min, because the cage employee accidentally registered me into the first flight of the Million dollar bounty. Oh well, mistakes happen, had to wait a while for management to fix it.

Even worse was buying into the Million dollar bounty. As my ticket was about to print, the computer or server went offline, and no ticket was printed even though I was charged. A manager told me to wait at the window with the cage lady. The lady explains how antiquated the computer system is. She also talks about how little training the employees receive (one day). She also tells a story about how on her first day, someone dumped a backpack out with 40 grand in it. She was stunned, not expecting that type of buy in. She didn't even know how she would count 40k. So yeah, they get no training. Lady tells me another employee miscounted 4k on their first day and were on the hook for it. They were in tears and broke down. Yikes.

As the lady is telling me more stories about wsop, I can feel eyes shooting into my back like lasers. Sure enough, one person yells out to hurry up and stop talking. I tell him to **** off, the printer is broken. The heckler is quiet. Cage lady smiles and says how that guy shouldn't talk to me like that. Then 5 min later I get moved to the other side of the room and have to wait for more higher ups to print the ticket. Wasted about an hour of my time.

When I went to reg for day 2 main event, disaster. Get to the window and the guy says I can't register till later. I ask when later is, and he says "i dunno. later." Could not have been said any ruder. Walked my 10k back to my room and showed up 8 hours later and was able to reg, no problem.

The dealers were pretty good, but I heard some horror stories, like when a color up for chips was announced, the dealer combined every players chips at the table into one pile. Took hours on the cameras to estimate what everyones stack was before the mistake. Sheesh.

Also heard a dealer was told not to deal the 3, 5, and 9 stacks any cards or some **** like that, the dealer took that to mean remove the 3s, 5s and 9s from the deck and then continued dealing. The table said nothing. Then the next dealer sat down and felt the deck was light, and they discovered what happened. WTF?

Filling empty seats was probably their biggest fail. For 3 events, we start 5 or 6 handed, and it took many levels for the table to be filled. I didn't sign up for 6 max, they need to fill those seats much quicker. Seems unfair to be stuck playing 6 handed and waiting 2 hours for players to show. Other tables around me had 3-4 people sitting around and couldnt start play. Just sitting around for several levels. WTF?

When a player bust out it wasn't uncommon for 30 min or more to pass before filling that seat. The mini main had a late reg line that snaked out to the craps tables, but weren't properly staffed to get the chairs filled. Had a friendly bet in the Million Dollar bounty with the players at seats 4 and 7 because they were using the 5 and 6 chair as their personal armrests. They claimed they wouldn't have the arm rests much longer. I laughed and told them at least a half hour, well into the next level. They scoffed but sure enough, arm comfort and leg space galore, took 40 min. They need more staff to deal with the late reg line, obv.

Several times, level changes were not announced on time. One time, almost 5 min into the new level. People had to tell the dealer the blind changes. WTF? How does the person with the microphone not have an alarm on their phone go off? Very shabby way to run the smaller events. Some seats had no view of a tournament screen. Layout of screens could be improved.

On break for one event, went to the food court at bottom of ballys. The line for subway was hell. Turns out, if you order a #3 club, it must be made exactly as described, no modifications. But if you order just a subway club, you can customize. There was no signage to indicate this. WTF? So people were ordering the numbers and getting pissed. One person said no mayo and the guy just blasts his sub with it. He says i don't want that and the worker says "too bad, you gotta take it." Customer replies "thats crazy I never seen a subway like this", Worker replies "Well i guess were crazy then bro. its your sub." Customer storms away. Then the next person wants to add sriracha and is told no, not allowed to. He demands to speak to manager, who comes over and basically tells him to go **** himself. How cheap and poorly run can a subway be? I put this on Ballys/Caesars. Don't wanna hear about some rogue manager.

The waiters did an amazing job getting drinks to everyone. Even a weird hot tea order from someone who had never played a tournament before. They were NOT lying holy ****. And that gets into why I will still go back and play next year. I got lucky with all my table draws and came across some very bad players. Limp/ folders, stations, shortstacks who raise/fold half their chips, super nits, recs, rich enthusiasts, and some players who were better at the game than I will ever be. I didn't cash in 4 events but had an awesome time playing. Probably gonna stay at an MGM property next year, tho.

Some of your gripes are just what people experience the first time they play the WSOP. The WSOP can always do things better, but stuff like dealer complaints and filling tables is sort of absurd. The WSOP does a fantastic job with that sort of stuff compared to the logistical challenges of running events this big. And I’m certain you exaggerated some of your comments. The dealer color-up situation took about an hour, not hours. And the removal of the cards from the deck is partly on the players. Nobody said anything?

I played with about 40-50 different dealers this WSOP and overall I would say they were better than in recent years, which was a surprise given the increased number of tables and the global labor issues. I’m sure there were players who had bad dealer experiences, but really, what does one expect? This is isn’t a 10 table tourney from back home.

As for the hotel, I have never stayed at Flamingo, but what you described is pretty much standard OP for CZE properties if you check in late. The type of room you reserved might not be available, a-la a well-known Seinfeld episode. However I have never heard of them not accommodating you the next day when rooms are vacated. That stretches credibility, unless you were an a-hole about the situation and they decided not to give a crap. That is certainly within the realm of possibility for CZE.

The long check in line is also standard in Vegas unless you have elevated player status. They’re trying to make that better with all the kiosks and pre-check in procedures. I would suggest you look into that next time. I would be surprised if your experience is much different at an MGM property unless you have elevated status.

The rest of the stuff is pretty much what goes on at the WSOP. From time to time it becomes a real **** show. People need to be patient, or at least expect things to not be smooth.

However, your comments about Subway are kind of misplaced. Ballys has literally zero to do with that restaurant except for the fact that the company which owns the building leases the space to Subway. Your description sounds a bit out there, but with lines being as long as they are during an event like the WSOP, I’m sure stuff like that happens all the time. A lot of places just aren’t equipped to handle the huge increase in customers.

Subway changed their menu last month........12 subs that you can't customize.

This story is no exaggeration. The management said if you use a numbered sub, no customization. If you tell them a custom sub, they can customize it. There is no signage to indicate the numbers lock you in. How on earth do you justify spraying a sub with mayo when explicitly being told no mayo?

This is how the stories where told to me. I did not witness them. Yes the players take blame if they saw that happen.


I did not check in late. I was not rude. Your assumptions are incorrect.

I have been to Vegas multiple times, and never seen a line like this. Yes I have been to MGM properties with out elevated status.

I agree, and I was patient through everything.

What is it that makes you think I am making stuff up? I'm not. Mayo and Sriracha situation is absolutely inexplicable, and most certainly falls under CZE food and beverage.

There was an incident a month or two ago where a customer killed a Subway employee for too much mayo.

I don't see how my gripes are limited to a first time experience. There were experienced players at the table who were expecting seats to be filled quicker, or level changes to be announced on time.

Yes I understand that it is hard to staff an event like this. That does not change the fact that more staff would make the events run smoother.

This is a Subway thing, not a Ballys/Caesars thing. The exact thing happened to me a few months ago at Subway (in LV, not on strip). I ordered one of the numbered subs and they just started putting ingredients on it, none of which I wanted. Really dumb way to do business, and the lesson here is never go to Subway.

Subway is the Q4o of sandwich shops.

You said tables sat for "levels" without playing hands because they didn't have enough players. This unequivocally didn't happen. And you're being willfully obtuse blaming Bally's/Caesars for a Subway policy.

I'm sure the idea is to have super easy "this is what I want" options for people who don't want to have to go through each level of the customization (esp for online ordering), but 1) they obv should have clear signage and 2) if a customer borks up and orders one with mayo but tells the employee "no mayo please" obv they shouldn't just blort it on there.

Take note though LK, this happened at a non-Bally's/Caesars Subway, is that also there fault or nah?

So you’re complaining about something by exaggerating a well know story (the color-up snafu), or repeating a story you didn’t experience first-hand (the light deck), which was likely not reported accurately in the first place.

The point is, and this is what I said in my original remarks… you are commenting from the point of view of someone who has never played the WSOP before, and comparing to what is likely a different experience in a completely different scope of event.

The congested hallway situation at Ballys was no different than the congested hallway situation at the Rio. In fact the Rio was in many ways worse since the registration line added to the hallway congestion and chaos.

And the dealers were BETTER overall this year than they have been in recent years. Maybe in over a decade. That’s the story. You are never going to get broad-based great dealers for an event like this. Never. It isn’t reasonable to expect it. I witnessed dealer mistakes too. What I also witnessed is players behaving poorly towards dealers and making a tough situation even worse. I understand player frustrations, but that doesn’t mean they should be condoned for their own actions.

There were literally millions of hands dealt at the WSOP this summer. And yes, there were mistakes made in some of them, including an infinitesimally small percentage of major screw ups. Players can actually make the dealers job easier instead of harder. Or they can bitch and moan about things which are baked into the event and little can be done about. Apparently making things harder and bitching and moaning are the preferred line.

Ok, that is very odd, but like I said I have never stayed at that property. If it went exactly as you said you should write and file a complaint. Maybe you get some future compensation. I do agree that your treatment will vary based on your status, but I think Vegas casinos may be starting to see the writing on the wall and will be more eager to try and get/keep customers in the foreseeable future.

I don’t think you said exactly how long the line was, but I have routinely seen the standard check-in line at Ballys be 30-40 deep with 2 counter agents, and I visit Vegas 3-4 times a year. I have also seen the same at PH, Aria and TI. The point being, if you show up at the right (wrong) time, the non priority lines can be crazy long. If you go to Vegas often enough and have never experienced this, then you are truly fortunate and should count that as a win.

It wasn’t the situation. It was the idea that you think it’s under Ballys jurisdiction. There’s plenty of legit stuff to gripe about at the WSOP, including stuff having to do with food/beverage. But this is obviously a Subway issue. You should take it up with them, or in a general Vegas restaurant comment thread. Your experience there had nothing to do with the WSOP.

The notion that other players also griped is no justification for griping about most things. Poker player bitch about everything. They bitch about reasonable things and unreasonable things. The level announcement timeliness is probably something which can be improved without too much difficulty. I don’t know why there were delays.

As for seating players, they have a certain amount of floor staff responsible for lots of things. I have never looked up at the floor and thought to myself, gee, that person is doing nothing. Maybe they could double their floor staff so that things like seating happen more efficiently. But then the rake will go up and players will have something else to complain about. In terms of improvement, the WSOP should focus on either big problems, or problems which have easily implemented solutions. The pace of seating doesn’t fit in either category, IMO.

I really didn't expect the simping for *checks notes* SUBWAY.

If the mayo isn't yet on the sub, and the customer says no mayo....You have to not squeeze the bottle. And after strip location markup they want almost $20 for it.

If you are charging $20 for a sub combo thingy, put sriracha on it. Blown away by people cappin for Subway and Caesars.

And it looks like there may be more fish at a poker table than in a Subway sandwich…

https://www.foxbusiness.com/lifestyl...way-sandwiches

Lol. It has nothing to do with CZE. Complain about the $17 gas station hot dog at the WSOP. That is something to talk about. A lot.

Blue table 450 something in the Ballys room for the Million Dollar Bounty. Table behind us had 3 people sitting at it for the entire first level. The other players supposed to be there where not late reg, just players who registered and never showed up. The floor ended up breaking that table. Why they would not just fill the table with late reg people, I have no clue.

If Subway is in Ballys' food court, yeah the Burden is on Ballys to make sure their guests are treated like human beings.

Here you go. You are wrong on all counts.
And again, I was patient and kind to all employees.

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So they sat for most of a level, not "levels", and this is part of the risk of sold stacks being in the well, which all approaches have pros and cons.

And so your position is that Bally's should terminate its lease to Subway in its food court b/c of a Subway menu decision, which is certainly not sufficient to terminate a lease? Sorry dude, you're being completely ridiculous, and this isn't "simping" for either party. I specifically pointed out that I think Subway is making at least two significant errors here, and if someone said "I'll never go to Subway again" after that, cool. It's the DAMN YOU BALLY'S FOR THIS MAYO take that isn't defensible either legally or logically.

The entire first level. Full stop. I understand the risk of sold stacks, you just have to understand that I am not lying. Over 40 mins to fill the 5 and 6 seat later in the same tournament. By definition levels, not a level

My position is that Subway should not be rationing Sriracha and forcing Mayo on people. Never said terminate lease. Literally just explained what I witnessed. You and several others simping for Subway, and Ballys, bizarre.