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10-04-2021 , 10:57 AM


Is this an amalgamation of Texas Hold’em and Scrabble? Sounds intriguing.
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10-04-2021 , 12:50 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
This prediction has not aged well 😊. I can just hear Scotty Nguyen saying “It’s all for show, baby!”
Wasn't a prediction, it was parroting what they said. It was their fail, not mine.
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10-04-2021 , 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Given the logistical complexity of implementing a mandate, and given the haphazard and inconsistently conjured/applied/enforced CDC guidance which has occurred through the entire pandemic, the WSOP should have just taken a low tech approach if they wanted to require vaccination. Bring your vax card or photo in order to register. That’s it. Violators will have winnings forfeited, incur a lifetime WSOP ban and will have the authorities notified. Done.
They can't look up your info. They have no way to know who's a violator and who's not.
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10-04-2021 , 03:20 PM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
"just signed up with clear. In addition to submitting your license and vaccination info to the web, they also make a facial recognition scan. I’m certain all of that data will remain safe and be used for its intended purpose only."
@akashenk:
I understood that 'clear' required an id, vac-card-info, and a face-shot; what I wish to know is, did you have to accept any type of waiver for 'clear' to have access to all of your medical data/history, for them/'clear' to use as they wish?
thanks in advance, konoki.

also to anyone:
does anyone know why they are unable to link, whether you are vaxed or not, to the caesar's card, which you need to reg anyway; just curious;
thank in advance, konoki.
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10-04-2021 , 03:22 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
They can't look up your info. They have no way to know who's a violator and who's not.
They can do random verification if they simply scan the vaccine card. Threats carry weight. GTO works for more than just poker.
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10-04-2021 , 05:28 PM
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Originally Posted by TuscaloosaJohnny


Is this an amalgamation of Texas Hold’em and Scrabble? Sounds intriguing.
Any idea if the FasTrac kiosks are actually running yet? Would be nice to know what to expect upon arriving later this week (after proof of vaccination/payment verification, etc.)

They were great in years past to skip the late reg crowds.

Thanks!
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10-04-2021 , 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by AaronATC222
Any idea if the FasTrac kiosks are actually running yet? Would be nice to know what to expect upon arriving later this week (after proof of vaccination/payment verification, etc.)

They were great in years past to skip the late reg crowds.

Thanks!

I’ve seen a lot of people using them so I guess they are now fully operational.
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10-04-2021 , 06:59 PM
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Originally Posted by konoki_1
@akashenk:
I understood that 'clear' required an id, vac-card-info, and a face-shot; what I wish to know is, did you have to accept any type of waiver for 'clear' to have access to all of your medical data/history, for them/'clear' to use as they wish?
thanks in advance, konoki.

also to anyone:
does anyone know why they are unable to link, whether you are vaxed or not, to the caesar's card, which you need to reg anyway; just curious;
thank in advance, konoki.
Because the WSOP has crappy computer systems designs that cannot talk to each other.

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They can do random verification if they simply scan the vaccine card. Threats carry weight. GTO works for more than just poker.
You're not getting what I said happened. For some states, they can't verify ANYONE. That's why they want everyone to use CLEAR. If they could verify people, they would just look them up online, call it good, and print out a "vax passport" ticket. That was the original plan.
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10-04-2021 , 07:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TuscaloosaJohnny
I’ve seen a lot of people using them so I guess they are now fully operational.
Yeah, first couple days they were like bitcoin. Up, down, up, down.
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10-04-2021 , 08:01 PM
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Originally Posted by konoki_1
@akashenk:
I understood that 'clear' required an id, vac-card-info, and a face-shot; what I wish to know is, did you have to accept any type of waiver for 'clear' to have access to all of your medical data/history, for them/'clear' to use as they wish?
thanks in advance, konokii.
I don’t remeber exactly but go in and start the process. If I remeber right, like all things they tell you the rules up front in the form of a user agreement. They don’t access any medical info, all they are doing is getting your drivers license, vaccine card and face scan to prove you are you. You don’t give them any medical history at all. Good luck
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10-04-2021 , 09:40 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
You're not getting what I said happened. For some states, they can't verify ANYONE. That's why they want everyone to use CLEAR. If they could verify people, they would just look them up online, call it good, and print out a "vax passport" ticket. That was the original plan.
I get it, real time verification is not working. I'm saying simply assume the vaccine card is legit then do random verification asynchronously. It could even be a phone call if their systems are that useless.
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10-05-2021 , 03:36 AM
Just played the HORSE tournament, what an absolute disaster. If 50% of your dealers don’t know how to deal a mixed game, then just don’t have it at all.

Our table had to instruct half our dealers how to deal the games, move the chips to count how many hands have been played, and announce the leading hand in the stud games so the person could act first.

Absolute **** show. Please don’t have these any more.
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10-05-2021 , 03:50 AM
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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
I get it, real time verification is not working. I'm saying simply assume the vaccine card is legit then do random verification asynchronously. It could even be a phone call if their systems are that useless.
No you don't get it. There was no place for them to verify anything, for certain states.
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10-05-2021 , 04:00 AM
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If anyone is selling lammers at discount, I would be happy to buy. Thanks
I have a couple I might sell, at a small discount. What are you looking for?

LMK, Tuesday is my last day.
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10-05-2021 , 04:18 AM
BTW I stopped at the Belize room and explained about the other jab validation websites. Whether they use them or not, I wouldn't know.
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10-05-2021 , 08:22 AM
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Originally Posted by konoki_1
@akashenk:
I understood that 'clear' required an id, vac-card-info, and a face-shot; what I wish to know is, did you have to accept any type of waiver for 'clear' to have access to all of your medical data/history, for them/'clear' to use as they wish?
thanks in advance, konoki.
There was a lengthy terms of service screen which I did not read. As someone else mentioned, I do not think CLEAR has access to any information you do not provide at this time. However, who really knows? I mean, when I search for a pair of sneakers on Amazon I don’t expressly intend to invite sneaker advertisements when I go to Google. By this is precisely what happens. And we live in a world now where sharing info is the default any people have to opt out to prevent it, usually through some unnecessarily cumbersome process.

Also, they don’t just take your photo for CLEAR. They appear to do a facial recognition scan. The distinction is subtle, but with FR they are not just showing your photo to some person so you can be identified. You are being identified by a machine.

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also to anyone:
does anyone know why they are unable to link, whether you are vaxed or not, to the caesar's card, which you need to reg anyway; just curious;
thank in advance, konoki.
As far as i know, once you are validated, then you don’t need to present any further validation, even through the CLEAR app. So it is tied to your Caesars card. This has been my experience when registering for an event.

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Originally Posted by PokerHero77
They can do random verification if they simply scan the vaccine card. Threats carry weight. GTO works for more than just poker.
+1. The whole point is to introduce an impediment to violating the policy, not prevent any and all violations. The latter requires significant logistical control and given the lack of time, resources and expertise, usually causes a lot more headaches and problems than it’s worth. And this is precisely what we have seen at the WSOP.

The CDC gives you a vax card for the purpose of validation. That should have been enough. I mean, why is it enough for CLEAR but not the WSOP?
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10-05-2021 , 09:06 AM
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Yeah, first couple days they were like bitcoin. Up, down, up, down.
Or are the fees for these kiosks worth the time you'll spend waiting in line?

Are the lines any smaller this year? Or is it the same normal sh!$show?
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10-05-2021 , 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbya1999
Just played the HORSE tournament, what an absolute disaster. If 50% of your dealers don’t know how to deal a mixed game, then just don’t have it at all.

Our table had to instruct half our dealers how to deal the games, move the chips to count how many hands have been played, and announce the leading hand in the stud games so the person could act first.

Absolute **** show. Please don’t have these any more.

I had thought about playing, but was worried about dealer competency. How was the turnout? (I also assumed that would be low.)
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10-05-2021 , 01:15 PM
123 entries—probably more in the future but if you don’t want to put up with dealer incompetence I would hold out. Had dealer after dealer sit down and say “this is my first mixed game”
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10-05-2021 , 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by ammodog
I don’t remeber exactly but go in and start the process. If I remeber right, like all things they tell you the rules up front in the form of a user agreement. They don’t access any medical info, all they are doing is getting your drivers license, vaccine card and face scan to prove you are you. You don’t give them any medical history at all. Good luck
@akashenk: thanks again; very much appreciate it;
@ammodog: thanks for the reply, but i certainly recall that a 'vax-app', maybe not 'clear', actually collected your info even after you 'backed-out'; i.e. once you started the process, then decided not to complete it, or rejected their 'user-agreement/tos', the company still used your identifying info to reap your health-data anyway; that is what i am attempting to avoid, by not even starting the process without figuring this out;

p.s. i was planning to do the vac-card + id process until the 'required' clear process was instituted;
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10-05-2021 , 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bobbya1999
Just played the HORSE tournament, what an absolute disaster. If 50% of your dealers don’t know how to deal a mixed game, then just don’t have it at all.

Our table had to instruct half our dealers how to deal the games, move the chips to count how many hands have been played, and announce the leading hand in the stud games so the person could act first.

Absolute **** show. Please don’t have these any more.
The $25k event? That seems extreme they’d probably have suitable dealers for that
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10-05-2021 , 11:11 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
They are using the satellite cage for Reunion re-entry AND for satties. Enormous lines that move very slow, lots of newbie cashiers, plus a screwed up software system that's poorly designed. People probably walk by and see a 2 hour line and decide to play somewhere else.
There was only one cashier running DDS entries today. 2 cashiers, one for single table satellites and one for DDS/Megas. I got in line at 12:50pm (woefully late), and was registered around 2:15pm. I should have went to the main cage. To make matters worse, the DDS cashier was also covering kings lounge cash games as well. 4 windows that are typically staffed In years past were ‘please use next window’.

Def not a dealer or table shortage for DDS that is driving down the numbers IMO. Cashier/registration a big problem.
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10-06-2021 , 12:34 AM
The main cage will not sell STS tickets. Not sure about megas, they will sell DDS tickets.
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10-06-2021 , 02:10 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
No you don't get it. There was no place for them to verify anything, for certain states.
If Clear can do it, it can be done manually.
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10-06-2021 , 04:18 PM
Your in this line, no you should be in that line, but that line is not the correct line. The line you want is over there or maybe there is no line for your tournament but wait in it anyway to find out. Sounds like a "**** show" doesn't it. Because it is. And by the way all registration for tournaments is closed now because the Caesars is down.
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