No worries here, then!

Like akashenk mentioned earlier, I'm planning to bring my vaccine card just in case. I've downloaded the CLEAR app and set it up, but just in case something goes wrong with phone/app/connection/whatever, I have a backup.

Good for you . With CLEAR I was convinced that they had it all. The had my records in seconds ! Dates for the shots , Place I took it , Brand of vaccine etc.

How was your experience ?

Yeah it looks like new cases and deaths in NV are plummeting - check the boxes for 7 day moving averages.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/nevada/

Pretty sure the experts have access to any and all data that you do, and likely a lot more that you're unaware of. 100% sure the experts are better than you at properly analyzing and interpreting that data. Unless you have serious training in this highly complex and technical field, you are almost certainly not competent enough to accurately interpret the data and come to a reliable conclusion.

And this is exactly the problem with the millions of "I do my own research" armchair quarterbacks out there. They think they can substitute their minutes (or even hours) of research with the years of training, education, and research done by the experts.

But please, keep being the donk in this scenario. At least you have lots of company.

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

I found the CLEAR app a little bit frustrating to use at first, but muddled through. Seems like I had to do things twice, maybe I messed up along the way.

It did do a good job of recognizing the documents (passport and vaccine card) and getting the data associated to me.

I remember seeing an entry for WSOP admittance, so clicked it, thinking I may as well set it up now. Turns out, it generated a QR code that expired in 15 (?) minutes.

Hope that works again in October, and wasn't a one-time thing.

Each time you click on it a new code will populate with expiration time. Can always be refreshed to a new code.

Every time you log in a new QR will generate.

Intersting. I would think the WSOP would advertise the bit about re-verification at payouts in order for it to have some effect. Otherwise, it will not prevent people from trying to circumvent the policy and will serve only to cause the WSOP headaches and potentially decrease their future earnings.

Even the hint of such a policy being put in place can put the WSOP in a bind if they do not follow through. Just one of the many complications of the vaccine mandate.

Yeah, similar to the Southern NV resource I use and have posted here. It looks like the situation in LV specifically is improving even faster than NV as a whole, though I assume that is because it likely started from a worse point.

This entire discussion about "experts" and "data" stemmed from a poster claiming a few weeks ago that things will only get worse in LV between now and the WSOP. This poster said he made this claim because some "experts" told him so. I interjected that the actual real-time data coming out of LV with respect to COVID did not show a pattern of things getting worse. In fact, it was quite the opposite. Dramatically so. And the pattern has continued over the weeks since then. The pattern looks very similar to last Summer. This is interesting because back then there were severe occupancy/mitigation restrictions compared to this summer, but obviously no vaccine. I think that indicates the vaccine (and some level of herd-immunity), is doing its job, since there have been few restrictions this summer. And going by the apparently repeating pattern, I would expect things to in fact get worse later this fall and into winter. At that point, when the "experts" tell me things are getting worse, I will feel confident in their statements because at least they will be supported by the reality on the ground.

Greg, the little I know and/or have read about you, I don't get the feeling you are one to do as you're told. But, you, like everyone else, are free to ignore the data if you prefer to doubt your ability to understand and interpret it. But my view is, this is basically like saying "I don't want to do any critical thinking". In that you also have lots of company.

https://www.wsop.com/2021/

Well said, Greg.

LOL the math on that risk is pretty small.

I'm not getting political here, but my guess is people that have not yet been jabbed didn't choose that route because they didn't have five minutes to spare.

So no plexi, no masks, counting on the jab only to keep you uninfected?

Wonder how many more times they will change the rules in the next three weeks.

COVID doesn't spread once you are sitting down. This has been public knowledge for a year now since we opened restaurants.

I have no knowledge of this ! Will you please post a link for supporting news or official reports by government or CDC ?

To all and particularly my unvaccinated friends.

WSOP will start in 22 days.

As per WSOP website “….. you must receive your final vaccine dose at least 14 days prior to your entry date…. “

You still have some time to complete vaccinations and attend if you want to. Try to find out nearby place where you can get 1 shot vaccine.

Good Luck

I was unaware that attempting to critically study an issue was somehow a fault. Blind acceptance is understandable, putting your faith in the FDA or the CDC is not unreasonable HOWEVER how many times have we previously seen the CDC change their position on the COVID issue ? Just as an example how much more have we learned about the value of masks - originally it was no we don't need them, then the morphed into an impenetrable shield, and now with additional study (and there have been tons of them) it would appear that they offer some additional level of protection but relative to the actual mask, fabric, fit and it appears age groups general susceptibility to infections. Akashenk has fundamentally a voice of reason on this board - pretty darn analytical and utilizes facts to back up his statements. I may not always agree with his interpretation but your attack is unwarranted.

Greg you may fear this disease (as is your right) because of your own comorbidity factors - for all I know you are a borderline diabetic with an A blood type and being in your late fifties who catches the flu annually and it poses a significant threat to you personally. Fine IF IF IF that is the case you should be extremely cautious and concerned for your personal well being.

But NONE of that is a logical basis to argue that personal education and research including reading from authoritative sources is somehow wrong. Remember sir 3 betting with 78 suited was taboo in the past...... that was common wisdom...... So attack / counter argue specific points that you feel Akashenk is speaking erroneously on - I will be glad to read and consider -- but blasting him for thinking on his own ? Sorry on this one you are just off base.

It will be very interesting to see the attendance figures of the first events to see what impact the WSOP rules and COVID fear in general is going to have on the events

Even if the world's top scientists change their views as new data comes in, and even if they sometimes make mistakes and offer bad advice, and even if some of them are biased by political pressure, it is still reasonable to take their advice in any given instance.

The fact that FDA or CDC recommendations have changed over the last 18 months is not a good argument or evidence to the contrary.

I don't necessarily think you disagree with me; I just wanted to highlight this point.

And to bring a stupid poker analogy into it, if we take a long term very successful poker player, we would not say that their strategy is suspect because its different than it was a few years ago. We would also not discount their strategy just because we expect it to change and get better in the future.

You are correct, I don't like following rules just because they are rules. Or doing what I'm told just because someone in authority told me. And I like to understand things, and have them make sense.

But none of that means that I believe I am smart to substitute my own personal judgment for that of a true expert in a complex technical field. I have a reasonable background and education for this subject matter (Master's degree in biotechnology with a minor in immunology), and I'm far from being an expert. I am competent to read a technical journal article. I can judge which information appears to be reasonable, and which information is obviously biased crap. Yet, if I do all this analysis, and reach a conclusion quite different from the bulk of real experts, I am going to assume I've made a mistake. NOT that they are the ones who got it wrong. And that is the real problem here. Millions of armchair quarterbacks who have done some research (sometimes only an hour or so, other times maybe even 100 hours or more), and think that their opinion is more correct than the consensus of the experts who have spent thousands, even tens of thousands, of hours on these issues.

Thinking you can parse through the data and reach a better conclusion than the majority of experts is not an example of critical thinking. It is just being a fool. "In that you also have lots of company."

Cheers, Greg Raymer (FossilMan)

P.S. - Dunning-Kruger much?

Of course you have the academic background to appreciate the technicalities of this field and as having worked the last six years of your legal career at Pfizer as a Patent attorney ( I believe ) does give you some reasonable basis for insight into the issue.

However it may also not make you the most unbiased individual when it comes to the evaluation of the issue at hand. I want to be absolutely clear I am NOT saying you are bias but the facts do lend themselves to you being more inclined to acceptance of a product from your former employer. There may be with good reason from on hand experience of the internal and governmental process the drugs go through. I certainly am not in a position to reasonable judge. Critical thinking and independent evaluation is never a negative as at the end of the day we all must make our own informed choice.

Greg …Since my Foxwoods days I was under the impression that you have some legal background too. Something like Patent Attorney. .. May be I was wrong.

LOL

At least something from some experts.

I never claimed to be an expert ! Ledn’s statement need to be questioned.
Such claim must be supported by proof.


PS.Please excuse me if I misunderstood your comment

Greg, I’m going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you have not been following the specific posts in this thread which have do with relying on experts vs looking at the data. I have already explained their origin to you. Bottom line is, for the last month the poster I have debated with has been wrong in his prediction, and if that prediction was based on information from experts, then the experts have been wrong too. That doesn’t mean the predictions of random posters, or the “experts” they parrot should be ignored, particularly when there is nothing else to go on. But in this case there was plenty of available data showing that these predictions were diametrically opposed, both to what has happened with Covid in LV for the last year+, and also to what was actually happening at the time. In such instances, it is not only fair to bring up a counter-argument which is supported by facts instead of opinion, but to also question the validity of those opposing opinions, regardless of whether or not they come from experts.

Your commentary on people substituting superficial knowledge for career-long wisdom has some validity. But only to a point. There are very few true authorities on anything. And people proffer specific opinions for specific purposes. You should know this coming from a law background, where you can get an “expert” to make a case no matter which side of the issue you’re on. That doesn’t mean the experts are “wrong”. It just means they have a point of view. This all leads to a very muddled situation for regular folks just trying to make decisions which are best for them.

FWIW, I have advanced degrees too and a technical background. But this really shouldn’t matter one iota since people learn to read line charts in grade-school. And the real-time data coming out of LV does not paint an increasingly gloomy picture. Its quite the opposite. But again, I would expect that to change at some point later this year if hundreds of data points across more than a year mean anything.

Until such time as experts and random internet prognosticators start being right more often than they have been to this point, I’ll keep on erring on the side of the data. As always, people should use whatever sources they want to make up their own minds about this, or anything.

P.S, I have never met a poker player, or a lawyer for that matter, who was as smart as they thought they were. And a poker-playing lawyer?