That's the point, it's contrary to what seems to be expectation. Let's just call what is coming "reverse implied odds".

Also, Americans are currently flushed with cash at the moment as inflation is occurring, spending is down and savings are up.

If the WSOP is not affected negatively, will other places require vaccinations?

So with the WSOP requiring players to be vaxxed but making it optional for dealers my thought process is this:

1. They know if they require vax for the dealers/staff they won't get enough staff to cover the events.

2. If they DON'T require vax for the players, then they'll have enormous crowds they don't have the staff to accommodate

So by requiring players to be vaxxed, they reduce the number of attendants, ensuring their staffing can handle the crowds and making sure the WSOP still runs.

Morning all,

Quick question.....
I am going to be playing in a few WSOP events, but I see the
WYNN Fall Mystery Bounty..... has anyone played this and is it fun/good value?
I was gonna play the PLO and or Short Deck but the mystery looked interesting...

IMO ,majority of the players who are vaccinated and attending WSOP will not even go near to other casino’s Event where there are tons of unvaccinated players.

I for one , will not go out where there are 100’s of unvaccinated player are gathering.

Think where will be all the unvaccinated players will be ?

So it’s up to other casino how to manage successfully their events.

I know unless WSOP is very strict following their own rules of vaccination it is hard to control the crowd. But this may help:

https://www.kiro7.com/news/local/fbi...MIWU5QDBPEV2A/

I very much doubt you are in the majority with this. The Venetian and Wynn have been drawing huge numbers through the entire CoVid pandemic. It will only be more so during the WSOP.

Hah. Well, that would be interesting, but I very much doubt the WSOP is going to be looking into things so closely. Unless someone shows up with a vaccination record on a napkin, I don’t think they will be rejecting many. And you can just have a photo which makes it even more difficult.

Yeah, in a casino full of gamblers, the odds of being caught and prosecuted with a fake card are very small. Tens of thousands of players are going to be going through registration and verification lines. It's not likely vax documents are going to be scrutinized very hard.

This is not my opinion! This is a factual statement put out by FBI.

As per WSOP this will be verified by CLEAR PASS which is directly connected to state vaccination records. I am not saying this to scare people. With my personal experience I can tell CLEAR PASS verification has date , place , vaccine brand and lot numbers…Good Luck

I apologize the correct name of app is Clear Heath Pass.
( There are two apps, white and blue, you need a white one for WSOP)

You said you thought the majority of players attending the WSOP will not go near other venues unless they require vaccination. That is decidedly your opinion, and a misguided one, I think, based on history. Players have been swarming to other venues long before the vaccine even existed.

And unless something has changed since the WSOP announced it’s requirements, Clear Pass is just one form of verification they will accept. This is their language:

“Acceptable documentation will include government issued digital health passes and physical or digital copies of a vaccination card along with driver’s license or passport.”

I, for one, will not be uploading my medical information to some random app. I kind of doubt most people will either, but I could be wrong. Maybe it’s a generational thing. Young people seem to have no problem sharing their personal information with the world nowadays.

@akashenk let me make very clear ! We (In that case most of players here) are in same boat . We love Poker and WSOP.

I am not here to win an argument. You can have your opinion, I can have mine.


When I said it’s not my opinion , I was replying to your above reply to my particular post (FBI waning link).

I am not saying it is right or wrong . Everyone will decide with their intelligence and tolerance of risk.

It is just a fact

If providing my health info to a well recognized apps is considered as young mans’s act ,is fine with me after playing senior events for last 20+ years

They should announce that one member of the final table of each bracelet event will be randomly chosen to have their vaccination documents undergo extra scrutiny and that being found to have a forged document will lead to confiscation of winnings.

First of all, privacy is an illusion. Your personal data have for some time now been available to anyone who wishes, and it's trivially easy to get. So your personal information is already shared with the world, whether you like it or not.

But why should one care whether anyone knows one's vaccination status? Assuming one is indeed vaccinated, that is. I could see why a no-vaxxer could be ashamed and not want anyone to know he's an irresponsible fool.

I think everyone will have to get used to this new normal. If you want to participate in certain activities, especially those involving large gatherings, you're going to have to prove that you don't pose a danger to others. I for one have no problem with providing proof of that. It's no more an invasion of privacy than someone asking for my ID.

I completely agree up front, but I think there is a very solid chance that people winning big prizes will have their eligibility verified. It would be a very expensive lesson to FAFO on that one instead of just taking 5 minutes to get the free vaccine.

Lol, let's just agree that some wires got crossed somewhere along the way. At no point have a suggested your sharing the FBI link was an opinion. The opinion came in with your prediction about WSOP participants and other venues vis-a-vis vaccination. And you also put forth seemingly inaccurate information about the WSOP proof of vaccination requirements.

ok

Some personal information is easy to get. Other personal information is difficult or nearly impossible to get (legally). My point was that I believe people are far too cavalier about making their personal information widely available and I put forth the theory that it may be to some degree generational.

As for whether Covid Vaccine status is important personal information, I will leave that up to others to decide for themselves. To me, its medical info, which means it doesn't belong on a platform whose sole purpose is to disseminate that info as far and as easily as possible. I will provide my proof of vaccination as required on a case-by-case basis.

And the "posing a danger to others" litmus test has been brought up before in various discussion surrounding Covid and it is really sketchy to me. The demonstrated risks associated with being exposed to Covid, especially for those who are vaccinated, are miniscule. If we are going to start throwing civil liberties and or the mere notion of privacy away in the face of miniscule "dangers", heaven forbid what will happen to our society if significant dangers come along.

I don’t think it will come to that.

No one in their right mind risk their time, efforts or money to face such a predictable disappointment.

We are going to give our vaccination status when we enter the first time in any WSOP tournament. From that point they have enough time to verify validity of your papers, just in case one wasn’t caught because they didn’t use Clear or any other authentication system. ( If that’ is allowed. I doubt that though).


Can Kevmath or someone connected with WSOP clarify for any misinformation or mis-belief

I think it would be fair to say that among the majority of people who have not been vaccinated (at least in the US), it is not a question of cost or convenience.

But I do think if there are negative consequences to trying to circumvent the policy put in place by the WSOP, then that would also be fair.

I'll repeat the actual text of the WSOP FAQ once again here:

"Should you be an international player, or any other person who was unable to utilize the CLEAR service, you must present your documentation for verification inside the Belize room at the Rio All Suite Hotel and Casino. Acceptable documentation will include government issued digital health passes and physical or digital copies of a vaccination card along with driver’s license or passport."

I took it upon myself to email tpipal@caesars.com to clarify the question of photo proof of vaccination card. I was told it would be ok, but my exchange was not succinct, so I will be bringing my actual card as a backup. No reason to risk there being some misunderstanding like can occur with different people.

Inaccurate information is not a Lol matter.

If any information is inaccurate ,please correct it and I will apologize as there was no intention to do so.

Thats is the reason this forum exists.

Without pointing out an inaccurate information is LOL

Akashenk from the bottom of my heart, I believe we both has same intentions. We both want everyone’s WSOP go smooth , without any hiccups.

All I understood is if …...” who was unable to utilize the CLEAR service, you must present your documentation for VERiFICATION inside the Belize room at the Rio All Suite Hotel and Casino…. “

In my understanding they will scrutinize your documents fully with the issuing authority even it is not on a piece of napkin.

If we are going to start shouting "FREEDUMB!!!" every time we're asked to take sensible precautions---because WE, in our infinite wisdom, have judged the danger to be "minuscule" (that's the right way to spell it BTW), then we are indeed screwed. We rugged individualist Americans seem to have a real problem with social responsibility.

Our civil liberties aren't unlimited or absolute. They're circumscribed for the good of us all. I'm not any more entitled to prance around unvaccinated than I'm entitled to drive 100 mph on the freeway or detonate explosives in my back yard. And if I'm told I have to wear a mask to reduce the danger to others, I'll do it, "minuscule" as that reduction might be.

We agree in that I believe you do as you’re told.

Anyhow, I call it minuscule because I look at the actual data. We have already gone over this before and I know you ignore the data and rely on experts to tell you what to do and think. Ok.

Btw, not sure if you were relying on experts or your own responsible intuition when you said that you were concerned about the rapid increase in delta variant spread prior to the WSOP. Well, the number of Covid cases, hospitalizations and deaths continues to drop rapidly in souther NV, in case anyone is curious as to what’s actually going on…

http://covid.southernnevadahealthdistrict.org/cases/

Ok. I’m sure there will be some scrutiny. I just don’t know how consistent or rigorous it will be. My opposition to the vaccine mandate from the WSOP has always been one of logistics and meaningfulness. But the WSOP has chosen this path and we’ll have to wait and see how it all goes down. I, for one, hope those who are not vaccinated are smart and don’t try to circumvent the policy. It will just lead to chaos.

And I for one will be happy to play other venues with or without a vaccine mandate. If I felt safe enough to do so over the last year with what I considered virtually meaningless protocols in place, I am certainly not likely to change my mind now that I am vaccinated.

I was talking to a friend, who is a semi pro and Las Vegas local. He told me in his opinion (He made very clear that nor does he has any inside information neither this is a rumor, just his opinion)

He thinks WSOP will be little soft regarding vaccinations verification during initial process ( In simple words they will not stop you buying in $$) but during cashing,your documents will be fully scrutinized with appropriate authority.

This way if you broke the vaccination rule ,tournament fees and prize pool will not suffer but you will be punished. And they can blackballed you from any future events or years as this will be a criminal offense.