I heard at present all Ceasars properties in Nevada went back to mask mandatory ? I hope not .

Every casino has mask mandatory in LV. Per the Gov. for almost 2 weeks.

Thx .

Yeah, I can't imagine what would make me want to go this year. Truth be told, it probably won't be any better next year.

The directive is they (WSOP/RIO) can... not will... remove a player at their sole discretion if they are within 6 feet (just one of the multiple criteria). Is it a possibility - absolutely - is it likely they would implement that stringent a criteria. Then be able to track you down a day or so later ? Much less likely. Again COULD THEY -YES .............. but WOULD they ? that is a long shot. Much more likely if you were exposed they might require you to take a rapid covid test and show a negative result. I mean lets face it most people don't fall into a sick bed immediately upon exhibiting systems. The range of physical reactions are extremely wide - vaccinated or non vaccinated. Now I wouldn't want to have a hay fever attack at the table as it would freak some people out and it actually might force you to be tested. Yes COVID fear will be disruptive and yes it could get you tossed from an event by simple bad luck and strict enforcement of the rule. - Personally I am willing to take the risk. Doesn't make me right , doesn't make you wrong.

I am good if they say "if you're close contact, you have to show proof of vax OR neg covid test". If I, as a fully vaxxed player, can be removed as the Day 1 chipleader and be given $0 because someone near me tested positive, that's basically the only rule they could have come up with to ensure I won't play. I'll happily show my vax card, happily wear a mask, but not risking having tens of thousands of dollars in equity torched.

FWIW an interesting read on Rule 115:

https://www.poker.org/wsop-announces...ules-for-2021/

Thanks RealMcCoy ,Great Article . We have no idea what is going on behind the scenes.

I also found this :

https://www.poker.org/caesars-to-clo...lp-staff-wsop/

If WSOP pull out a successful event. Salute to them .
I know other posters are saying Venetian and Wynn running tournament during the epidemic why WSOP has so many problems.

But I do understand differences between 3000 players tournament and 20000 players tournament along with cash games and side tournaments of 2000 to 4000 players daily.

"Much more likely to require" - Well, then make that the rule, instead.

It's a longshot that I would survive in the tournament long enough for Rule 115 to matter, but I don't want the boomerang longshot of being at a table with an infected dealer to DQ me. F. that noise. No WSOP for me this year. Time to call and cancel. Was looking forward to the flipament, too.

And to think that they could remove all doubt by simply saying that all players will be required to show proof of vaccination before they enter the building! A further safety measure could be a rapid Covid test upon entry.

They could fix this in a heartbeat, but they don't want to, probably because so many of the potential players are from no-masker no-vaxxer FREEDUMB! yahoo states, and a royal stink would be raised. (Though I suspect the actual outcome might be that even Clem Cornpone, Tucky Buckford, and Cowboy Bob would get their shots if they had to in order to be able to play.)

I've dealt the WSOP for the last 5 years and not going this year [I don't actually live in Vegas]. A lot of the better dealers you will find on restarts and the mixed game tournaments [Not saying they are all good but they tend to be the better more competent ones] may not be going this year either. I've also heard from the grapevine that there is still an overall dealer shortage this year. Obviously they will still be hiring leading up to the event and probably while the event is going.


I'm imagining if this somehow still kicks off, there will be a lot of delays in starting certain mid-day to evening tournaments and you can probably expect some non-bracelet events like the Deepstacks to get canceled quite frequently. I'd also advise anyone to get their seats for the big lower buyin tournaments days before or you can pretty much be guaranteed to stand in line as an alternate perhaps for hours at a time.


This is primarily why I'm not going this year. It's going to be a total circus and that's assuming it doesn't actually take place since they are still at the mercy of the state and county.




It's my understanding that is the case on all Caesars properties nationwide. And if there is a mask mandate during the summer months, there is very little chance they are going to suddenly end it during the winter.







Modifications are pretty much a 100% probability. I'd imagine the WSOP will do everything they can to get all the bracelet events in but there is very little chance that the access to single table satellites, 24/7 cash game availability, and deep stacks aren't going to face cancellations or hours of delays, especially on the weekends.






If there are state-imposed occupancy limits, I'll gladly book bets on the WSOP being canceled outside of maybe a main event with an absurd amount of flights to get an entire normal field in [12+ flights with a limit of 500 players would be kinda interesting lol]. Poker isn't exactly the most profitable venture that casinos offer and there are a ton of expenses involved in pulling off an event like the WSOP.

I’ve been debating whether or not I’m going to go this year and I think this solidified it for me.

There’s basically 0 chance wsop doesn’t return next summer right?

Maybe after the US 22 mid-term elections this will go away and a WSOP ‘23 feels likely. Of course that’s just the conspiracy theorist in me. Or is it more a spoiler alert? Haha.

There have been dealer shortages at other major tournaments this year (see WPT Circuit at Choctaw Durant July 2021 thread). I don't blame the dealers for not wanting to come. It is almost guaranteed to be a bad situation for them. If CET doesn't impose strict safety rules (like vaccine requirements), the dealers are putting themselves at risk. If CET does impose strict safety rules, players mad at the rules will likely take it out on dealers (just like airline passengers have taken out frustrations on flight attendants).

Stay safe, Phil9.

You are obviously too smart to understand the concept of "no political commentary".

That's sort of what I said, except I doubt they would hold the ME with tons of day 1s. Not possible unless they put significant registration caps in to prevent a large field day 2. I think the only events they would hold would be the 10K+ small-field events. And even those.. who knows because they aren't big money-makers.

I would be curious what role CBS plays in all this. Can they put pressure on the WSOP to either cancel or not cancel, depending on what it would mean for their bottom line?

I don't think putting a 0% or 100% chance on anything during the era of Covid is a wise bet.

Any idea when online registration starts ?
May be this will give us idea what is going on behind DT he scene .
They will not open online registration without any updates.

This tells me that the quality of the dealers will be poor--perhaps very, very poor. In the past, I've caught WSOP dealers taking double rakes in cash games (accidentally, I'm sure, but still), misreading hands and pushing the pot to the wrong player, forgetting to move the button, moving the button twice rather than once, etc. etc. etc. Many of them didn't strike me as professionals at all.

Yet another reason not to go. After all, we pay big bucks (rake/tournament fees) for these "professional" dealers. Yet, they're never very good, and this year, will be worse than ever.

They have lots and lots of cameras in that place.

That's the part I don't like.

Most poker tournaments don't have multiple sponsors like the WSOP and aren't broadcast on network tv. There's a lot of money to be lost and CZR doesn't want to lose it.

If folks are planning to attend, for whatever reason, then great. I hope to see them on the felt and wish them luck, so far as their interests do not conflict with mine. And if folks will not be attending, for whatever reason, then that’s fine too. I’m sure whatever decisions the WSOP organizers make, will be ones they believe will be in their own interest. I expect no more and no less than that from them. Just like anybody.

+1. This is an interesting factor which is a bit under-reported IMO. I would love to know what these other concerns have to say about all these issues being discussed.

U mean CBS and all their advertisers.

Very Good Point.

That may be affecting so much in behind the curtain negotiations as that’s huge income source for WSOP

If there is need for more dealers, they can pull dealers from table games. They will make a little less money in the short run, but it would alleviate the problem in addition to creating a little goodwill for the poker players.

The better solution to the above problem is to require preregistration for flights in order to have enough dealers available. They would need to set a cutoff time such as 72 hours prior to the flight but it is doable

In my unpopular opinion, I would be fine with a little more rake if the alternative is no live wsop events.

I saw posts about the rising costs and shortages of uber/lift, but if CZR is smart, they should do shuttle busses from the strip to the rio for a fixed price.

With the federal extended unemployment ending in early September, hopefully the ride-share stuff returns to some level of normalcy by October. But who knows, that may continue to be more expensive than pre-Covid like so many other things.

As for CZR, I guess we'll see if they are any smarter now that they are owned by El Dorado.