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08-17-2021 , 04:31 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
There have been large-field tournaments going on for over a year. I don’t recall any huge controversies over players being disqualified and sent packing without some sort of fair arrangement reached. Seems to me, in the age we live in, a rash of such occurrences would generate a ton of chatter on Twitter or other mediums. I mean even one would probably make some noise.

I suppose the WSOP could go it’s own way and do things drastically different than what we have seen elsewhere over the last year. But is there any reason to speculate they will? In other words, other than it being yet another hypothetical to wrangle over on message forums, why should we really be concerned about this rule? Asking for a friend.
WSOP makes their own rules. Maybe no poker rooms in Vegas have a rule like this.
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08-17-2021 , 07:59 AM
Online registration open now through Bravopokerlive.com.

Now online registration is open without any vaccinations rules being announced, logically there will be no changes unless states issues requirements.

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08-17-2021 , 11:41 AM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Online registration open now through Bravopokerlive.com.

Now online registration is open without any vaccinations rules being announced, logically there will be no changes unless states issues requirements.
I don't think this necessarily follows. For example, Jason Isbell (among other artists) implemented a vax (or neg test) requirement that applied to events where tickets had already been sold. If you can't (or won't) comply, you get a refund.
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08-17-2021 , 12:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Black Aces 518
I don't think this necessarily follows. For example, Jason Isbell (among other artists) implemented a vax (or neg test) requirement that applied to events where tickets had already been sold. If you can't (or won't) comply, you get a refund.
You May be right , but WSOP in comparison to other events 10 to 50 time bigger in attendance! And I used word “ Logically “
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08-17-2021 , 12:41 PM
I am officially pre-regged for Flight D of Crazy Eights! LFG!
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08-17-2021 , 02:31 PM
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Originally Posted by BDHarrison
The casinos have a financial incentive to figure it out. Some sort of technological solution involving a phone app that requires less human checking of proof seems to make sense.
I doubt this. Every poker room had a financial incentive to put up plexiglass and continue with their usual poker operations over the last year. And very few did. And I am also dubious of the idea that a vaccine requirement will lead to more attendance. Its certainly possible, but is there any actual evidence other than random people saying they will or won't attend depending on this stipulation? At every step, casinos have done the bare minimum required of them. I don't see them changing now, especially for poker.

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I would like to put the casinos in a situation where they will come up with a solution that can be applied to elsewhere.
An interesting idea, but again, I'm not sure how realistic. Just look how innovative casinos are with tournament buy-in mechanisms .

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Some restaurants are now requiring proof. Lollapalooza ran in Chicago while requiring proof. Concerts and sporting events are moving towards requiring proof.
Restaurants are an entirely different ballgame. Even regular conventions and sporting events are different because they occur over a much shorter period than the WSOP. In a perfect world, the sort of control you describe might be possible. But it would require significant investment to implement, at least if it will be more than window dressing.

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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Maybe no poker rooms in Vegas have a rule like this.
I very much doubt this. Casinos, like most business, are all about CYA, and I don't blame them.
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08-18-2021 , 12:00 AM
Lets all take a deep breath.....

Just wanted to say, I am all booked for WSOP 2021 and I can't wait! The only thing I'm worried about is holding when I get it in with the best! LFG
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08-18-2021 , 12:49 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Can you find an example of anyone who has been DQ’d from a tournament without a fair arrangement in the last year+? If so, I think that would be useful information to give people an idea of what sorts of circumstances they might have to deal with. If there are no examples, then isn’t the hoopla over rule 115 really just much ado about nothing?
No examples? It's a WSOP rule! There haven't been any WSOP tournaments yet.

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I really believe if the WSOP felt that they would find themselves having to DQ lots of people, they wouldn’t brother holding the events. It’s not worth the bother and/or ****-storm which that would cause.
I don't care about lots of people getting DQ'ed, just me getting DQ'ed.
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08-18-2021 , 08:19 AM
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Originally Posted by akashenk
Can you find an example of anyone who has been DQ’d from a tournament without a fair arrangement in the last year+? If so, I think that would be useful information to give people an idea of what sorts of circumstances they might have to deal with. If there are no examples, then isn’t the hoopla over rule 115 really just much ado about nothing?

I really believe if the WSOP felt that they would find themselves having to DQ lots of people, they wouldn’t brother holding the events. It’s not worth the bother and/or ****-storm which that would cause.
Akashenk - This is the best example (and maybe the only) of how the DQ was handled

"According to social media posts by Joey Ingram, with corroborating responses from De Silva himself, he first tested positive for the virus on Dec. 20, roughly a week before the final table was set to resume. He then tested negative on Dec. 26, only to test positive again on Dec. 27, just one day before the final table was set to play down to a winner.

The 32-year-old poker pro was set to enter the final table in eighth chip position. He is now apparently disqualified, which would mean that he would officially earn the minimum final-table payout of $98,813, according to the rules laid out by the WSOP when the event was first announced."

Was this fair ? That requires a subjective answer. Personally I find it at least reasonable although my preference would be to have blinded his stack off as you would any other no show.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-covid-19-test
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08-18-2021 , 08:49 AM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Akashenk - This is the best example (and maybe the only) of how the DQ was handled ……


..,,,Was this fair ? That requires a subjective answer. Personally I find it at least reasonable although my preference would be to have blinded his stack off as you would any other no show.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-covid-19-test
RealMcCoy you showed great wisdom and intelligence in your reply. This is the kind of discussion/suggestions we all are expecting from this forum.

Great idea . I hope someone from WSOP is reading this .

My hats off to you Sir.
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08-18-2021 , 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
No examples? It's a WSOP rule! There haven't been any WSOP tournaments yet.

I don't care about lots of people getting DQ'ed, just me getting DQ'ed.
It may be a WSOP rule, but the idea that a venue may DQ a participant for safety reasons because of COVID is not a new thing and has been in place for over a year. The point of this part of the discussion is this seems to be a very rare thing. If it is not a rare thing, then people should rightfully be worried. But let's see how often this has happened and under what circumstances before people either start freaking out, or disparaging the WSOP, or some combination of the two.

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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Akashenk - This is the best example (and maybe the only) of how the DQ was handled

"According to social media posts by Joey Ingram, with corroborating responses from De Silva himself, he first tested positive for the virus on Dec. 20, roughly a week before the final table was set to resume. He then tested negative on Dec. 26, only to test positive again on Dec. 27, just one day before the final table was set to play down to a winner.

The 32-year-old poker pro was set to enter the final table in eighth chip position. He is now apparently disqualified, which would mean that he would officially earn the minimum final-table payout of $98,813, according to the rules laid out by the WSOP when the event was first announced."

Was this fair ? That requires a subjective answer. Personally I find it at least reasonable although my preference would be to have blinded his stack off as you would any other no show.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-covid-19-test
I doubt its the only example. But the fact that it seems to be hard to find lots of examples should tell people what they need to know. If people want to really worry about this because they think the WSOP is "special" in this regard, or will do something which is drastically different from the other venues which have had large-field tourneys during COVID, then I guess, by all means, they should really worry. But until such time as the WSOP comes out and says... yeah, we plan on handling this differently than people might think, I don't see why we should worry a great deal. I mean, the chances of having "some" exposure to COVID in any large-group gathering seems to be a lot higher than the chance of being DQ'd. If people have concerns, that would seem to be a much more important one. But to each their own, I suppose.
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08-19-2021 , 04:36 AM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Akashenk - This is the best example (and maybe the only) of how the DQ was handled

"According to social media posts by Joey Ingram, with corroborating responses from De Silva himself, he first tested positive for the virus on Dec. 20, roughly a week before the final table was set to resume. He then tested negative on Dec. 26, only to test positive again on Dec. 27, just one day before the final table was set to play down to a winner.

The 32-year-old poker pro was set to enter the final table in eighth chip position. He is now apparently disqualified, which would mean that he would officially earn the minimum final-table payout of $98,813, according to the rules laid out by the WSOP when the event was first announced."

Was this fair ? That requires a subjective answer. Personally I find it at least reasonable although my preference would be to have blinded his stack off as you would any other no show.

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...-covid-19-test
Yeah, that's weird and it's not Rule 115. He wasn't DQ'ed he was knocked out.
He got his money for the place. Doesn't Rule 115 say you get nothing?

I wonder how many tests he got on the 27th. If it was just one I would be inclined to sue. A guy on a forum took 4 tests in 2 days. The results were, you guessed it, 2 negative, 2 positive.

Did the guy ever come down with the disease a few days later?
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08-19-2021 , 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by pig4bill
Yeah, that's weird and it's not Rule 115. He wasn't DQ'ed he was knocked out.
He got his money for the place. Doesn't Rule 115 say you get nothing?
Pig - Not exactly as the relevant (in my opinion) wording is
"Participant shall not be entitled to any compensation or remuneration of any type other than what Participant had already been awarded prior to being removed from the WSOP Event

This would be consistent with the 9th place finish in the example above even though no "rule 115" was in formally in place.

The loss to the player would be the prize pool equity difference if he had been allowed to continue not a complete loss
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08-19-2021 , 09:07 AM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Pig - Not exactly as the relevant (in my opinion) wording is
"Participant shall not be entitled to any compensation or remuneration of any type other than what Participant had already been awarded prior to being removed from the WSOP Event

This would be consistent with the 9th place finish in the example above even though no "rule 115" was in formally in place.

The loss to the player would be the prize pool equity difference if he had been allowed to continue not a complete loss
RealMcCoy Legal Eagles
I like your analysis of every words .
I know you are not a lawyer but your analysis is so logical
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08-19-2021 , 09:55 AM
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RealMcCoy Legal Eagles
I like your analysis of every words .
I know you are not a lawyer but your analysis is so logical
Nope not an attorney but spend entirely to much time dealing with them........ and Hey I recently stayed at a Holiday Inn Express .....
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08-19-2021 , 11:00 AM
I don't really know anything about anything, but my initial "gut" read of the rule is that they want to have something in writing so if anyone gives them any trouble of any kind regarding C19, they can point to that rule as the reason they are DQing them. Not that they couldn't always kick someone out for a variety of reasons, but this rule will make things go smoother. I would be surprised to see them actively hunting for people to kick out on C19 grounds. Surprised, but not willing to bet a lot of money on it. Because like I said, I don't really know. Just the way it feels to me.

I am putting a little money where my mouth is. I booked a trip for the week of October 10. Will be annoyed if I end up having to cancel. Will be pissed if I buy into an event and get kicked out because someone near me is sick. But at this point I am definitely willing to take the risk!
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08-20-2021 , 03:00 AM
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Originally Posted by RealMcCoy
Pig - Not exactly as the relevant (in my opinion) wording is
"Participant shall not be entitled to any compensation or remuneration of any type other than what Participant had already been awarded prior to being removed from the WSOP Event

This would be consistent with the 9th place finish in the example above even though no "rule 115" was in formally in place.

The loss to the player would be the prize pool equity difference if he had been allowed to continue not a complete loss
Semantics. I (and they) could argue they haven't been awarded anything yet. They haven't gotten the little ticket they give you when you get knocked out and cash.

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I don't really know anything about anything, but my initial "gut" read of the rule is that they want to have something in writing so if anyone gives them any trouble of any kind regarding C19, they can point to that rule as the reason they are DQing them. Not that they couldn't always kick someone out for a variety of reasons, but this rule will make things go smoother. I would be surprised to see them actively hunting for people to kick out on C19 grounds. Surprised, but not willing to bet a lot of money on it. Because like I said, I don't really know. Just the way it feels to me.

I am putting a little money where my mouth is. I booked a trip for the week of October 10. Will be annoyed if I end up having to cancel. Will be pissed if I buy into an event and get kicked out because someone near me is sick. But at this point I am definitely willing to take the risk!
It takes some gamble to play the WSOP. This year it takes a little extra gamble I guess.
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08-20-2021 , 08:16 AM
I've heard that someone was eliminated from the tournament when their Aces got cracked by 72 off.

The cause of their elimination was listed as "Covid-related"
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08-20-2021 , 11:59 AM
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Originally Posted by TampaKn1sh
I've heard that someone was eliminated from the tournament when their Aces got cracked by 72 off.

The cause of their elimination was listed as "Covid-related"
For the win.
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08-21-2021 , 08:03 PM
I'm confused by the Structure for the $1500 8-game:
https://www.wsop.com/pdfs/structures...4865_19751.pdf

Reading the structure, I'm guessing the Ante is posted by the BB ONLY during the first TWO Levels, but then reverts to all players putting in the Ante after that?

If anyone can clear this up for me I would appreciate it.

Thanks
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08-21-2021 , 11:16 PM
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Originally Posted by rarerabbit
I'm confused by the Structure for the $1500 8-game:
https://www.wsop.com/pdfs/structures...4865_19751.pdf

Reading the structure, I'm guessing the Ante is posted by the BB ONLY during the first TWO Levels, but then reverts to all players putting in the Ante after that?

If anyone can clear this up for me I would appreciate it.

Thanks
For the first 2 levels, the button pays the table's full ante. So, the button, will continue to move for every new hand. (The BB does not pay the "table ante".)

(Logistical reason: They do not want to introduce 25 denomination chips and more color ups. Normally, it would be a 50 ante like in level 13 (which is 1/10 of level 1-2, so 50 ante, 50 bring in, 200-400 limits).
Interestingly, it looks like they want less action with only 300 in the middle instead of 400 in the middle.

(Button antes are also seen in any event with a stud component - HORSE, etc.)
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08-22-2021 , 01:42 PM
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Originally Posted by UnknownName3
For the first 2 levels, the button pays the table's full ante. So, the button, will continue to move for every new hand. (The BB does not pay the "table ante".)

(Logistical reason: They do not want to introduce 25 denomination chips and more color ups. Normally, it would be a 50 ante like in level 13 (which is 1/10 of level 1-2, so 50 ante, 50 bring in, 200-400 limits).
Interestingly, it looks like they want less action with only 300 in the middle instead of 400 in the middle.

(Button antes are also seen in any event with a stud component - HORSE, etc.)
Thanks for clearing it up.
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08-23-2021 , 09:14 PM
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Originally Posted by riverph7
Online registration open now through Bravopokerlive.com.

Now online registration is open without any vaccinations rules being announced, logically there will be no changes unless states issues requirements.
Hi All,
I am going to fly out and make this my first WSOP...(might as well spend all this CoVid OT)

..sorry for the silly questions ...but Do i need a Rios's card to preregister?.... or is it a Caesars card? And since i am coming out from NY can I get a Caesars card in Atlantic City for this if needed ?

Thanks.
J
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08-23-2021 , 09:59 PM
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Hi All,
I am going to fly out and make this my first WSOP...(might as well spend all this CoVid OT)

..sorry for the silly questions ...but Do i need a Rios's card to preregister?.... or is it a Caesars card? And since i am coming out from NY can I get a Caesars card in Atlantic City for this if needed ?

Thanks.
J
Rio’s card is Ceasars card. Yes You can get Caesars card at any CZR properties including Atlantic City.

Good luck on your first WSOP . You will enjoy it .
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08-24-2021 , 09:44 AM
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Originally Posted by EMT-P
Hi All,
I am going to fly out and make this my first WSOP...(might as well spend all this CoVid OT)

..sorry for the silly questions ...but Do i need a Rios's card to preregister?.... or is it a Caesars card? And since i am coming out from NY can I get a Caesars card in Atlantic City for this if needed ?

Thanks.
J
You can also sign up for the rewards program online. https://www.caesars.com/myrewards

I don't know if they'll send you a physical card, but if you already are in the system you can print a card from a kiosk at any Caesars property.
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