Doesn't seem REALLY good to me, starting with 125 bigs. Or if you consider that to be half antes, having antes in the first level.

You can't directly compare "S" points between BBA and non-BBA tournaments because the non-BBA ones will have a lower orbit cost in the early levels.

I think his formula takes into account the cost per orbit starting in level 6 after regular and big blind antes have begun. Perhaps this helps with the whole BBA v non-BBA? Not sure - Perhaps he can address or maybe he did so previously in his thread.

having antes right away imo really is a boner kill. absolutely.

i assume its better than colossus still tho

50k/200 = 250 bigs to start. Cost per orbit in level one is 500. You have 100 orbits. That is plenty to play with, not like losing a few standard pots early will be crippling.

I would MUCH rather start slightly shallower and have long levels and gradual increases than OMG I GET TO HAVE 500 BIGS for 30 minutes, which is basically worthless, and the starting stack is 15 blinds by the first break.

also big 50 is way better slower structure than colossus AND crazy 8s correct?

What, why? Orbit cost of 100/200/200 and 100/200/25 is basically the same and the BBA one is actually lower.

Wow, owned!! Great post. Anyone boycotting playing tournaments, especially the WSOP Main Event, over some entirely misguided BBA hate is a pretty bizarre individual.

Incorrect. S-Points works for both.

The S-Points algorithm doesn't care about the semantics of how you are forced to put money into the pot. It just cares the total amount you are forced to put in per orbit of the button at a full table.

Also, as mentioned, S-Points doesn't consider Levels before the 6th. The antes haven't been introduced yet and the increases between them haven't really smoothed out (e.g. 50/100 then 100/200 = 100% increase)

Finally, I look forward to every upcoming Vegas related thread in this sub-forum being hijacked at some point with BBA/non-BBA discussion. We all thoroughly enjoyed it last year.

To still have a 17 orbit stack after 7 levels of breaking even sounds like a good structure to me.

Especially for a $500 tourney, and where those 7 levels are almost 6 hours of play rather than the more standard 3.5 or 4.5 hours.

This is why you people should all play mixed games instead of nlh. No ante, no arguement, problem solved.

I think BBA has a higher value to players in tourneys like old colossus and now Big50. Dealers can be horrid in these events and reduce hands played per level drastically. Anyone who has played early levels of colossus will understand.

I was not going to play this year but the idea of fixing all of the things I hated about colossus have me strongly reconsidering.

Seven Card Stud and Razz have antes.

but the big 50 structure will be better

https://www.cardplayer.com/poker-new...d-ante-in-2019

WOW>>>>.Wednesday july 10th...... only bracelet winners allowed to buyin. The whos who of poker.

over/under at 10% of the names the average player will recognize

In addition, in a summer flush with tournaments filled with random donks, why pay the same rake to compete against (mostly) the best players? Ego > common sense?

You play 2 tournaments, 1 with no antes through 5 levels and 1 with antes every level, and on average, you'll have more chips in the one with no early antes.

I'd agree with you, other than the I-hate-mixed-games thing.

Are you assuming the blinds will be the same? Otherwise this doesn’t make sense at all.

Even if we are assuming that, I think you are wrong about it. Blinds and antes aren’t raked from the table. People act like they are dropped. Someone at the table wins those.

If no one busts then obviously on average you have exactly the same average either way.

Let me know which of these statements you don’t agree with: People are more likely to bust with higher cost per orbit. With blinds held constant, there is a higher cost per orbit with antes. As people bust, the average chip stack increases. Therefore, the average stack will be higher with antes in play than without.

It will be a social event. I don't figure for the buyin its a major event nor will the players see it that way.

Booked and ready to donk off some cash for Big 50, lets do this already.

100% the structure is better than past colossus.

As a rec player myself these changes (better structure and BBA) have me excited about possibly playing WSOP when previously I was very soured at the thought of playing colossus again.

I think the structure improvement and BBA being added have fixed the two things I was unhappy with the most, room to play and horrible dealers.

Is 126 "S points" your calculation also? How would you say it compares to a structure like the Millionare Maker of years gone by and also to other options posted so far for 2019? THX

you think its a better structure than the 8884?