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Old 01-23-2019, 04:38 PM   #176
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if you are referring to DafarginNuts its because I really enjoy those forms of poker and its the week I am there for only 8 days 11 - 18 june
I was. Gotcha! Though at least they have those forms of poker while you are there. I'm disappointed that the 6-max and HORSE $1500s are on the same day, but glad they are at least both on the week I will be there. Would be happier if the 6-max was the early start and the HORSE in the afternoon instead of vice-versa. Much more likely to bust the 6-max early than the HORSE.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:09 PM   #177
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are structures posted yet???

I want to know if the BIG 50 or colossus has a slower structure...even if both are turbo like.


I guess I ll wait for that one site to update?
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:37 PM   #178
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http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/

Geez theres a $1000 PLO event a day before the seniors. Not good

Geez theres a 6 max event a day before seniors. Okay now I`m pissed
The Mixed O8 event is the day before (so same day as the Megasat) the $10k PLO8. Meanwhile, $1.5k LO8 is as far as ever from the PLO8 events.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:46 PM   #179
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Why are those bad?

Also, I'm excited - all NLHE events at WSOP confirmed to be Big Blind Ante. No more watching people fumble out 400 chips for 45 seconds per hand!
I am excited that you are glad to see money LEAVING the No Limit tournament economy.
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Old 01-23-2019, 05:47 PM   #180
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Michelle I too am waiting for structure sheets. I might pass up the seniors for the plo. I am so tired of NL
Both the Seniors and the Marathon are now off the calendar for me. The BBA killed them.
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I am excited that you are glad to see money LEAVING the No Limit tournament economy.
I'm sorry that you don't like it. Every poll posted, every tweet that goes out about the topic shows that the vast majority of poker players prefer it. So, if anything, it will have money coming into the NLHE tournament economy.

Just like if the WSOP said "we are going to be 9 handed in every tourney", that would increase the money coming in, because most players feel that 9 handed is better than 10 handed. There may be a player here or there that would skip it because they prefer 9.

You are literally the only person I have seen anywhere on the internet that says they will REFUSE to play a BBA tourney no matter what. I show you with 6 recorded cashes for $11k total. I mention that not as any insult, but it isn't like you are dumping tens of thousands of dollars a year into live NLHE tourneys and now that will be gone, right?
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:01 PM   #182
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Why are those bad?

Also, I'm excited - all NLHE events at WSOP confirmed to be Big Blind Ante. No more watching people fumble out 400 chips for 45 seconds per hand!
I doubt you've ever seen that happen.
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I'm sorry that you don't like it. Every poll posted, every tweet that goes out about the topic shows that the vast majority of poker players prefer it. So, if anything, it will have money coming into the NLHE tournament economy.
I dare say that most who voted never actually looked at a clock and simply believe the crap people spew about how 'great' it is, never mind that it isn't the time-saver some claim.

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You are literally the only person I have seen anywhere on the internet that says they will REFUSE to play a BBA tourney no matter what. I show you with 6 recorded cashes for $11k total. I mention that not as any insult, but it isn't like you are dumping tens of thousands of dollars a year into live NLHE tourneys and now that will be gone, right?
Considering that I didn't really begin playing anything on a regular basis until the past year, you really don't know of what you speak. I played a BBA event last February. I reported the experience in one of the threads here, including a highlighting of the same problems with posting that BBA was supposed to have eliminated. The fact that I was the stone bubble in that event was not a factor in my opinion or decisions with respect to the BBA. Turning 50 gave me additional options at multiple levels as did selling one of the houses. I flew out for a monthly Seniors event specifically because it was traditional ante and proceeded to final table it. I also final tabled the Seniors at PH last year in addition to a reasonable cash at the 8-max at Venetian that same weekend. I then returned to my office since there were commitments to current clients. I had about $80K that was earmarked specifically for this summer, including taking a shot at what would have been my first Main Event.

I would have been playing the $10K and $25K events at Aria across the past year had they not taken everything to the BBA. So yeah, you ARE chasing entries away when there are no options for people like me who have options...and if I am such a fish, then it would seem I am precisely the sort of player that you should WANT in line to enter events.

So, this summer will simply be a focus on the non-NLHE events plus cash games. It is a very disappointing end to a hobby that I enjoyed and had anticipated being able to enjoy in retirement...
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:11 PM   #184
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i think thats just you Michelle. your entitled to your opinion but i bet numbers go up because of bba not down
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:14 PM   #185
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also even if you dont like bba its not a big change in how the game is played strategy wise . so not playing any events cause of it seems like a massive overreaction but its your money so whatever.
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Old 01-23-2019, 06:24 PM   #186
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I doubt you've ever seen that happen.
That was obviously an exaggeration for humor. I HAVE, however, been shortstacked in a WSOPC ring event that featured two floor calls in a single orbit to dispute who posted the ante.

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I dare say that most who voted never actually looked at a clock and simply believe the crap people spew about how 'great' it is, never mind that it isn't the time-saver some claim.

Considering that I didn't really begin playing anything on a regular basis until the past year, you really don't know of what you speak. I played a BBA event last February. I reported the experience in one of the threads here, including a highlighting of the same problems with posting that BBA was supposed to have eliminated. The fact that I was the stone bubble in that event was not a factor in my opinion or decisions with respect to the BBA. Turning 50 gave me additional options at multiple levels as did selling one of the houses. I flew out for a monthly Seniors event specifically because it was traditional ante and proceeded to final table it. I also final tabled the Seniors at PH last year in addition to a reasonable cash at the 8-max at Venetian that same weekend. I then returned to my office since there were commitments to current clients. I had about $80K that was earmarked specifically for this summer, including taking a shot at what would have been my first Main Event.

I would have been playing the $10K and $25K events at Aria across the past year had they not taken everything to the BBA. So yeah, you ARE chasing entries away when there are no options for people like me who have options...and if I am such a fish, then it would seem I am precisely the sort of player that you should WANT in line to enter events.

So, this summer will simply be a focus on the non-NLHE events plus cash games. It is a very disappointing end to a hobby that I enjoyed and had anticipated being able to enjoy in retirement...
This is a completely amazing and dramatic overreaction, but like the other poster said, hey, it's your money. I didn't say you were a fish, the sole implication was that you don't play that many NLHE tourneys. But if you were gonna be a fixture on the Aria high-roller circuit if only they had traditional antes, then cool.

I think the impact of BBA is minimized if you have all of the following:
1) sufficient low denomination chips
2) smooth, gradual structure
3) a table with players who are proactive in getting change and paying attention
4) a dealer who is proactive in getting players to get change, can do basic math, and is aggressive in getting players to post antes.

In my experience, it is EXTREMELY rare to find a table with all 4 of those items present.

Are we going to triple the hands seen? Of course not. Just like 9 handed isn't really a giant revelation over 10 handed. But just like going 9 instead of 10, it makes every single hand in every single tourney just that much more comfortable and enjoyable, which really adds up over time.

Again, I would guess that there are less than 5 people, and maybe less than 2, who are going to skip the WSOPME, the greatest poker tourney in the world, with $10M up top, because goddammit, i have to post antes only once a round instead of 9 times! Also, it is kind of funny that you have cemented your position by playing one BBA tourney, that had some drunk annoying people who didn't post their blinds/antes on time (boy I wish they had to do it every hand, sounds awesome) and you stone bubbled. None of that influences your decision, but the thousands of players who have played and prefer BBA are all just too stupid to know what they actually like. The arrogance and condescension in that is unwarranted.

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Old 01-23-2019, 06:57 PM   #187
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Re: 2019 WSOP schedule

Big 50 structure is out.

- Paying 15% of the field
- Each starting flight (4 flights) has its own separate Day 2
- 12 levels of play on Day 1
- 8 levels of play on Day 2, money made on Day 2
- Field consolidated on Day 3
- Register early, they anticipate sellouts, especially for the weekend flights
- 50k starting stack, 50 minute levels, BBA:
100/200/200
100/300/300
200/400/400
300/600/600
400/800/800
500/1000/1000
600/1200/1200
800/1600/1600
1000/2000/2000
1000/2500/2500
2000/3000/3000
2000/4000/4000
3000/5000/5000
3/6/6
4/8/8
5/10/10
6/12/12
and so on.

Seems like a REALLY good structure for a $500 tournament. My only complaint is I prefer the bigger SB in levels like 100/300/300, would prefer 200/300/300 to encourage action, but hey. Starting stack in a $500 8 hours in is still over 20 bigs.
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Old 01-23-2019, 07:12 PM   #188
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Anyone notice there is no 6 + NL (triton). Thought for sure they would add it to the WSOP schedule. Who knows they still might . The big guns really like the game.
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Anyone notice there is no 6 + NL (triton). Thought for sure they would add it to the WSOP schedule. Who knows they still might . The big guns really like the game.

Thereís a $10k on June 2
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:07 PM   #190
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Big 50 structure is out.

- Paying 15% of the field
- Each starting flight (4 flights) has its own separate Day 2
- 12 levels of play on Day 1
- 8 levels of play on Day 2, money made on Day 2
- Field consolidated on Day 3
- Register early, they anticipate sellouts, especially for the weekend flights
- 50k starting stack, 50 minute levels, BBA:
100/200/200
100/300/300
200/400/400
300/600/600
400/800/800
500/1000/1000
600/1200/1200
800/1600/1600
1000/2000/2000
1000/2500/2500
2000/3000/3000
2000/4000/4000
3000/5000/5000
3/6/6
4/8/8
5/10/10
6/12/12
and so on.

Seems like a REALLY good structure for a $500 tournament. My only complaint is I prefer the bigger SB in levels like 100/300/300, would prefer 200/300/300 to encourage action, but hey. Starting stack in a $500 8 hours in is still over 20 bigs.
black aces this iis a far better struture than the colossus then correct? it has to be if you have 20BB 9 hrs in?
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:09 PM   #191
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are structures posted yet???

I want to know if the BIG 50 or colossus has a slower structure...even if both are turbo like.


I guess I ll wait for that one site to update?
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:21 PM   #192
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are structures posted yet???



I want to know if the BIG 50 or colossus has a slower structure...even if both are turbo like.





I guess I ll wait for that one site to update?

Big 50 is much slower than Colossus last year. Iím sure it will also be slower than this yearís Colossus.
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Old 01-23-2019, 10:30 PM   #193
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Re: The Big 50
It has something like 126 ďSĒ Points using Plogís analysis I believe.

Thatís a decent number for sure.
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Old 01-24-2019, 02:45 AM   #194
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(Can we please, please, please, please not have this thread devolve into a BBA debate?)

I'm really happy with how the first couple of weeks look. For my own ideal schedule, I'd like to see $1,500 PLO8 much earlier in June and $3k PLO 6max earlier overall, but oh well.

The first few weeks look really attractive to me regardless, and there's a cool selection right at the end, too.

Maybe two distinct outings are in order for me?
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Old 01-24-2019, 03:21 AM   #195
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It has something like 126 ďSĒ Points using Plogís analysis I believe.

Thatís a decent number for sure.
is that site updated, do you have a link sir?
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Does anybody know if you pre-register online, does your stack start with the tournament and get blinded out or do you get your stack whenever you show up? Thanks.
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https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/pokercalc/

See if that ^ works. Itís Plogs link from his Structure thread here. Perhaps on page 2 or so.

50 Minutes x Level 19 = 950
Level 6 orbit cost: 2,500
Level 10 orbit cost: 6,000
Level 14 orbit cost: 15,000
Level 18 orbit cost: 40,000
100% Minutes: 950

ďSĒ Point Total: 126


This is all assuming Iím using the sites tool correctly. Iím sure someone (like Plog or others), will confirm this and other structures as theyíre released over the next few months.
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Does anybody know if you pre-register online, does your stack start with the tournament and get blinded out or do you get your stack whenever you show up? Thanks.

Will likely be different for different tourneys. For Big 50 you get your stack when you show up but you will be unregged and your seat sold if you donít show up by a certain time, I think it was by end of level 2 or 3.
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https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/pokercalc/

See if that ^ works. Itís Plogs link from his Structure thread here. Perhaps on page 2 or so.

50 Minutes x Level 19 = 950
Level 6 orbit cost: 2,500
Level 10 orbit cost: 6,000
Level 14 orbit cost: 15,000
Level 18 orbit cost: 40,000
100% Minutes: 950

ďSĒ Point Total: 126


This is all assuming Iím using the sites tool correctly. Iím sure someone (like Plog or others), will confirm this and other structures as theyíre released over the next few months.
I believe that every major event at all venues are rated. Would think by May the ratings should be online. The link is early in this post I beleive.
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https://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/pokercalc/

See if that ^ works. It’s Plogs link from his Structure thread here. Perhaps on page 2 or so.

50 Minutes x Level 19 = 950
Level 6 orbit cost: 2,500
Level 10 orbit cost: 6,000
Level 14 orbit cost: 15,000
Level 18 orbit cost: 40,000
100% Minutes: 950

“S” Point Total: 126


This is all assuming I’m using the sites tool correctly. I’m sure someone (like Plog or others), will confirm this and other structures as they’re released over the next few months.
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I believe that every major event at all venues are rated. Would think by May the ratings should be online. The link is early in this post I beleive.
thanks guys, i ll wait until march to see whats gong on adn and I bet those S ratings will be posted for the 2019 tourneys.


I really want to play in the big 50 as its cheap and the structure isnt terrible. which flight would you all think is softest? fri or sat? or doesnt it matter??
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