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Old 12-31-2018, 07:51 PM   #76
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Any word if there will be bracelet events after the Main Event again?


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I tweeted @wsop about a week ago and asked this...they said yes.
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Old 01-01-2019, 08:52 PM   #77
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i agree that more chips for $1000 buy-in Seniors is wonderful. It means that you can make a mistake in level 2 and make a call, or try a bluff, without risking making yourself totally short-staked. more starting chips makes a huge difference. But, it will stretch out the structure. Is the Seniors going to be a 4-day event now?
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Old 01-02-2019, 09:43 AM   #78
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I get where that poster is coming from . Geez I get pissed listening to them go into great detail hours on end about every friggen illness they and everyone else has. Sadly I am a senior but avoid being around my peers unless absolutely necessary.
For instance the 50+ Senior event. Their chips are more than a welcomed addition to my stack.
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Can it really be that bad? I’m too young for those but you make it sound potentially terrible.
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I've played my last one. It's fun when you get put at a table with a bunch of funny guys in their 60's and 70's telling stories. Not so much at a table full of 80 and 90 years olds coughing and weezing, oozing various substances from under a half dozen band-aids that are always asleep when it's their turn to act.
Having played both the Senior and the Super Senior last year I would say that this depiction is at a minimum a gross distortion. I played next to Cliff Josephy in the Senior until he busted out and had the pleasure in playing with the OLDEST WSOP champion (at time of winning) Harold Angle who won the Senior back in 2010 at age 78. Okay I may be prejudice on the issue being 65 myself (hell I hated them lowering the Senior age this year ..... I wanted to be the "kid" at the table). But I will take a bandade or two and an old fart nodding off (never saw that though in my life) over a drunk or otherwise impaired 20 something wearing a hoodie going for TV time to make a basic early round decision and being an intentiional obnoxious ass (oh that that is not necessarily age specific - old farts can be asses also). Senior events IMO do play differently than open events and you just have to change your game accordingly that includes your attitude at the table. The upside about older players quite frankly is that they are often easier to read than the "young pups" LOL...... we old farts don't float nearly as much or 4 bet light as often
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Old 01-02-2019, 01:25 PM   #79
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Yes Real McCoy I agree in part. I noticed as well there is little floating. Yes they call but its along the lines of hitting a draw or chasing top pair with their ace rag but never to float to take the pot on later street.
Geez against old geezers even 3 betting is unheard of. Usually these guys just call call call. with the occasional raise notifying you to get the hell out. Very few bluffs. What shocks me the most is when there are several limpers and late position raises huge they ALL call the raise. Even the hands they call with are truly disturbing let alone raise.
However I very much like the relaxed atmosphere. Very few *******s as you find in other events. I would say 10% of field has a good foundation and took it upon themselves to study.
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Old 01-02-2019, 03:39 PM   #80
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I'll withhold judgement till the schedule is out and the structures are known, but its good to see the WSOP going back to Friday/Saturday day ones on at least some of their signature weekend events, like the MM and MS. As long as these are structured to be ITM by the end of Sunday, I think this will be a much more rec-friendly schedule.
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Old 01-02-2019, 04:10 PM   #81
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Am I wrong or does the WSOP senior event usually fall on friday
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Old 01-02-2019, 10:13 PM   #82
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Am I wrong or does the WSOP senior event usually fall on friday
You are correct for the last two years at least they run the Senior and the Super Senior with Friday and Sunday starts

2018 the Senior event FRIDAY
June 15-17, 2018 Event #32: $1,000 Seniors No-Limit Hold'em

2018 Super SR Sunday
June 17-19, 2018 Event #36: $1,000 Super Seniors No-Limit Hold'em
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:11 PM   #83
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Re: 2019 WSOP schedule

WSOP tweeted that the full schedule will hopefully be out next week.
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Old 01-04-2019, 03:38 PM   #84
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WSOP tweeted that the full schedule will hopefully be out next week.
Did they happen to mention if that includes the structure sheets?
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Old 01-04-2019, 04:14 PM   #85
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Did they happen to mention if that includes the structure sheets?

They didnít but I thought that the full schedule release usually includes those.
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Old 01-04-2019, 06:18 PM   #86
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They didnít but I thought that the full schedule release usually includes those.
Does it? It might. I have a bad memory.
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:08 PM   #87
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According to the preliminary partial schedule on WSOP.com, the Seniors event is still a 3 day event for 2019. If they do go to the big blind ante for this event in 2019, I hope they start the blinds at 100-100 like they do in some WSOP regular (non-senior) circuit events that now have big blind antes. What I heard from recreational seniors at the WSOP Senior event last summer were not complaints necessarily about having only 5,000 chips, but more along the lines of having "only 100 big blinds" to start. So giving the Seniors 20,000 chips but starting the blinds at 100-200 would not likely be seen as an improvement, and might actually be seen by some as nothing more than a cynical ploy.
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Old 01-05-2019, 06:20 PM   #88
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According to the preliminary partial schedule on WSOP.com, the Seniors event is still a 3 day event for 2019. If they do go to the big blind ante for this event in 2019, I hope they start the blinds at 100-100 like they do in some WSOP regular (non-senior) circuit events that now have big blind antes. What I heard from recreational seniors at the WSOP Senior event last summer were not complaints necessarily about having only 5,000 chips, but more along the lines of having "only 100 big blinds" to start. So giving the Seniors 20,000 chips but starting the blinds at 100-200 would not likely be seen as an improvement, and might actually be seen by some as nothing more than a cynical ploy.

They are appealing to the "educated on TV " crowd. For the perhaps 10% that have actually studied the game this ploy is bull****. However the main appeal is not to us the 10%.
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Old 01-06-2019, 01:30 PM   #89
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According to the preliminary partial schedule on WSOP.com, the Seniors event is still a 3 day event for 2019. If they do go to the big blind ante for this event in 2019, I hope they start the blinds at 100-100 like they do in some WSOP regular (non-senior) circuit events that now have big blind antes. What I heard from recreational seniors at the WSOP Senior event last summer were not complaints necessarily about having only 5,000 chips, but more along the lines of having "only 100 big blinds" to start. So giving the Seniors 20,000 chips but starting the blinds at 100-200 would not likely be seen as an improvement, and might actually be seen by some as nothing more than a cynical ploy.
I think they would be much more likely to start 100-100 and then skip/alter some subsequent level(s) to account for the larger starting stacks. The types of players they are targeting are very much aware of the size of their starting stack and how many BB they have early, but are not so aware or concerned about how deep the structure is later in the tournament.

Of course, they could just schedule it to be a longer event. I'm guessing they will do everything in their power to prevent tourneys from going extra days, despite the chip increases, but this is always an option. Where do you see in the prelim announcement that the Seniors event is scheduled for 3 days again?
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Old 01-06-2019, 02:10 PM   #90
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How many days was Colossus? They said Big 50 will likely go four days with a fifth possible. I’m guessing 50/100 first level just so they can say you start with 500 bigs then after the rebuy period, the levels jump quickly.
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Old 01-06-2019, 07:29 PM   #91
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How many days was Colossus? They said Big 50 will likely go four days with a fifth possible. Iím guessing 50/100 first level just so they can say you start with 500 bigs then after the rebuy period, the levels jump quickly.

Really would like to play this but am not a fan of multi rebuy-re entry events. Especially this event with such a low buyin. Truly will be a major donkfest for first few levels
Structure will likely not be the best I agree Dr.Meh Likely a glorified low buy in structure. Starts great and tanks quickly
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Old 01-07-2019, 11:52 AM   #92
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There is a psychological difference for players with smaller stacks vs. bigger stacks. With 5000 starting chips, a raise to 500 in level 1 (10BB and 10% of starting stack) was very common because a raise to 250 just didn't seem "big" enough. With a level 1 blind of 200, a raise to 1000 still seems sufficient, even though it's the same number of blinds as a raise to 250 in the old structure. I know we're supposed to construct bet sizes based on the number of BB and the size of the pot, but in reality many players perceive the numbers differently.

If they arrange the structure to be 100/100, then 100/200, then 100/200 + BB Ante (200), then 200/400 -- then at level 4 we'll still have 50BB. In the 5000 stack format the levels were 50/100, 75/150, 100/200 and the BB of 200 represented 25BB in level 3. So, depending on how they set up the structure, the 20,000 starting chips may really be "more" chips. A blind of 300/600 is 33BB, while 150/300 in the old structure was only 17BB, etc. It just depends on how they set up the blind structure.

Of course, a "better" blind structure makes for a longer tournament . . .
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Old 01-07-2019, 04:12 PM   #93
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There is a psychological difference for players with smaller stacks vs. bigger stacks. With 5000 starting chips, a raise to 500 in level 1 (10BB and 10% of starting stack) was very common because a raise to 250 just didn't seem "big" enough. With a level 1 blind of 200, a raise to 1000 still seems sufficient, even though it's the same number of blinds as a raise to 250 in the old structure. I know we're supposed to construct bet sizes based on the number of BB and the size of the pot, but in reality many players perceive the numbers differently.

If they arrange the structure to be 100/100, then 100/200, then 100/200 + BB Ante (200), then 200/400 -- then at level 4 we'll still have 50BB. In the 5000 stack format the levels were 50/100, 75/150, 100/200 and the BB of 200 represented 25BB in level 3. So, depending on how they set up the structure, the 20,000 starting chips may really be "more" chips. A blind of 300/600 is 33BB, while 150/300 in the old structure was only 17BB, etc. It just depends on how they set up the blind structure.

Of course, a "better" blind structure makes for a longer tournament . . .
While I absolutely agree with you that the starting chip increase in the $1000 and $1500 buy in will impact play (I personally think significantly) I played in 4 such events in 2018 and I can't recall a single incidence of a $500 open raise at the 1st level of play ($25/$50 blinds) . Now two of the events I refer to were Senior events and therefore typically a bit tighter I just did not see the antidotal $500 (10 BB ) open raise. Saw the more stand 2.5 to 3.5 bb and on occasion the 6 BB but above that was very rare (can't think of a single time) in any of the 4 I personally played.
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Old 01-08-2019, 12:46 AM   #94
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I saw 5 and 6 bb open raises in the Colossal by completely clueless people. The kind you wish would play in your cash games. Same is occasionally true in the STT's.
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Old 01-08-2019, 02:20 AM   #95
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I saw 5 and 6 bb open raises in the Colossal by completely clueless people.
Leave me out of it. LOL. I was just there for the experience. 50 Minutes for $565 may not have been a great experience though.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:36 PM   #96
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Schedule, but not structures, out:

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/

EDIT: After looking, this is obviously just partial and a work in progress.
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Old 01-09-2019, 03:56 PM   #97
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Mini Main for $1K looks interesting.
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Old 01-09-2019, 04:05 PM   #98
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Schedule, but not structures, out:

http://www.wsop.com/tournaments/

EDIT: After looking, this is obviously just partial and a work in progress.
Also - much more to come from mixed games front.

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Old 01-09-2019, 06:49 PM   #99
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For sure this is a partial schedule there are many non donkfest events still to be included. HORSE, stud, Plo, limit holdem, razz, etc etc.
Geez wondering if they might include a few of the new holdem variations.
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Old 01-09-2019, 09:44 PM   #100
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Not only did they move up the Seniors start date to Thursday this year, but they delayed the Super Seniors start date to Monday. Oh well, at least no more overlapping of these 2 events, which some had complained about.
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