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Old 06-11-2019, 03:10 PM   #626
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Seems like last year the Colossus winner was guaranteed a mill. I see no such mention on this year's structure. Did I miss it?
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Old 06-11-2019, 06:33 PM   #627
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Seems like last year the Colossus winner was guaranteed a mill. I see no such mention on this year's structure. Did I miss it?

Less than zero chance they would guarantee a Milly up top for a two flight midweek $400. Price went down, flights went down, schedule went down. Big50 was “COLOSSUS” this year.
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Old 06-12-2019, 02:41 PM   #628
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What was it last year, $465? For some reason I thought it was $365. At any rate $400 is an awkward price, can't use a lammer w/out losing a lot of value.
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Old 06-12-2019, 03:30 PM   #629
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$565. Giant was $365.
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Old 06-12-2019, 07:46 PM   #630
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As long as you play the low end $125-$175 STTs, it is hard for me to believe this should ever be an issue.

The problem is, that you cannot multi-table live STTs.

The 'fast' structure, the low buy in, the ROI you realistically can reach, the time it takes to start an STT - after all players are seated - and the wait to get into a new STT when you bust, makes it barely worth for any decent players to grind these.

You will always be facing a mix of players with no understanding of ICM, and a few online STT grinders. IMO, ROIs in excess of 15% are not realistic.

Meaning, at $175 level, only on the best days will your hourly be above $25.

With the fast structure/high variance it should be quite possible to put a full week of play in and still find yourself in the red, even as a winning player.

Unless you are a mid/high limit pro, I suggest you think of WSOP STTs as a fun distraction, and a good way of getting used to handling the cards and practicing reads. Run hot or go back to cash games, before you start steaming.

Any other thoughts on the $125 STTs? I played one last year and the structure sucked. Even with that being the case, are they worth the grind if you spam them?

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Old 06-12-2019, 10:52 PM   #631
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any of yall know if you have to prereg the 400$ colossus (event 61) or if you can just reg there?
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Old 06-13-2019, 01:28 AM   #632
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Any other thoughts on the $125 STTs? I played one last year and the structure sucked. Even with that being the case, are they worth the grind if you spam them?
To get a slightly better structure you have to move up to $225 or $275. $175 is the same as $125.

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any of yall know if you have to prereg the 400$ colossus (event 61) or if you can just reg there?
I don't know of any reason you would have to pre-reg.
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Old 06-14-2019, 12:38 AM   #633
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Any opinions on the differences between the $1K double stack WSOP event and the $600 epic stack at the Venetian this weekend? What kind of players would choose the latter over the former?
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:48 AM   #634
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I would guess the WSOP event would be a lot bigger field.
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Old 06-14-2019, 10:18 AM   #635
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Not really sure where to post this question, well a few really


If you were flying out for the main event, and would get in late Thur (day 1b) night, and could enter late and have 3 hours of play left, would you and if so why?

If you decided to play day 1C fresh from the start, would you enter an online bracelet event while playing the main or just be 100% focused on the main?

Lastly would you ever buy into day 2 with the 60k stack and if so why
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Old 06-14-2019, 10:45 AM   #636
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Not really sure where to post this question, well a few really


If you were flying out for the main event, and would get in late Thur (day 1b) night, and could enter late and have 3 hours of play left, would you and if so why?

If you decided to play day 1C fresh from the start, would you enter an online bracelet event while playing the main or just be 100% focused on the main?

Lastly would you ever buy into day 2 with the 60k stack and if so why


No: if/when I get my first opportunity to play the Main I’d prefer to be there from jump so as to take it all in and maximize my experience.

No: if/when I were to pony up ($), win my way in, or have others who have a piece of me ($) in the Main I wouldn’t be playing an online MTT simultaneously.

Perhaps: for instance if my bankroll/situation were ever to change and I’ve played the Main a few times previously.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:36 AM   #637
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Not really sure where to post this question, well a few really


If you were flying out for the main event, and would get in late Thur (day 1b) night, and could enter late and have 3 hours of play left, would you and if so why?

If you decided to play day 1C fresh from the start, would you enter an online bracelet event while playing the main or just be 100% focused on the main?

Lastly would you ever buy into day 2 with the 60k stack and if so why
1. Depends

2. No

3. Yes, I can see reasons, such as maybe the person decided to come for the weekend and only stay/miss work if they are still in. Maybe they are burnt out and need a break. Maybe they make more mistakes playing deep stack and prefer to play with 50 BBs.
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:39 AM   #638
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I'm not sure where to post this either... can someone else cash my tournament payout ticket for me? It isn't a big enough win to generate any tax forms. My buddy is headed to Rio today and I'm hoping he can cash it for me and save me a trip. Thanks!
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:45 AM   #639
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I'm not sure where to post this either... can someone else cash my tournament payout ticket for me? It isn't a big enough win to generate any tax forms. My buddy is headed to Rio today and I'm hoping he can cash it for me and save me a trip. Thanks!
Don’t see how this would be an option.

They would need your license
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Old 06-14-2019, 11:46 AM   #640
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I would guess the WSOP event would be a lot bigger field.
I would guess so. The question is why. Does the cheap bracelet event attract both the pros and the fishier players, leaving the Venetian event with fewer soft spots but fewer sharks?
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Old 06-14-2019, 12:24 PM   #641
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I would guess so. The question is why. Does the cheap bracelet event attract both the pros and the fishier players, leaving the Venetian event with fewer soft spots but fewer sharks?
Yes, I would say this is accurate. The V has more flights, and unlimited re-entry, where the WSOP is single re-entry per flight. The V is a more comfortable play location overall IMO. The WSOP structure is pretty significantly deeper.
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Old 06-14-2019, 01:48 PM   #642
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The WSOP is always going to attract more than the Venetian, which is just second fiddle in my eyes. Especially if the choice is between bracelet event and... anything else.
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Old 06-14-2019, 04:55 PM   #643
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Nobody in an Iowa poker league has "Play A Venetian DeepStack" on their bucket list. The WSOP's name recognition expands beyond just the poker playing community. That Iowan can then brag to his co-workers about going to Vegas and playing in the WSOP, describing the chaos of the Pavillion and telling them the bad beat story he went out on to their admiration.

Sharks follow chum.
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Old 06-14-2019, 05:15 PM   #644
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LOL, better said than I could.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:35 PM   #645
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Any other thoughts on the $125 STTs? I played one last year and the structure sucked. Even with that being the case, are they worth the grind if you spam them?
Watched a Jonathan Little video on grinding the STTs at the WSOP. His "secret" to making money off them is to try to identify the drunks or guys that look like they are just there to gamble before it starts and do 1v1 last longers with them.
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Old 06-15-2019, 09:56 PM   #646
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Makes sense, albeit a little bit slimy.

I ended up playing two of the $125s yesterday and chopped one of them, so I'm happy. My take from the small sample size is that you can be pretty +EV in them if you are willing to eat the variance, which is going to be high given such a fast structure.

There is some real dead money at those tables because some of the people lining up to take a shot just really have no clue about shortstack or SNG play, and I'm not trying to sound condescending because I don't consider myself an expert either.

On that note, how does it work if you want to unreg an event? I already have my tickets for the $600 on the 25th and Flight B of the Colossus on the 27th, but now that I have the $500 lammer, I'd like to get the cash back and then use the lammer to cover some of the cost. Is there a time limit on when you can void your entry?
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Old 06-16-2019, 12:42 AM   #647
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Watched a Jonathan Little video on grinding the STTs at the WSOP. His "secret" to making money off them is to try to identify the drunks or guys that look like they are just there to gamble before it starts and do 1v1 last longers with them.
I've been playing low buy-in STT's for over 10 years and never met one of the above. Maybe they're common in 550's and 1050's, but not at low buy-ins.

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Makes sense, albeit a little bit slimy.

I ended up playing two of the $125s yesterday and chopped one of them, so I'm happy. My take from the small sample size is that you can be pretty +EV in them if you are willing to eat the variance, which is going to be high given such a fast structure.

There is some real dead money at those tables because some of the people lining up to take a shot just really have no clue about shortstack or SNG play, and I'm not trying to sound condescending because I don't consider myself an expert either.

On that note, how does it work if you want to unreg an event? I already have my tickets for the $600 on the 25th and Flight B of the Colossus on the 27th, but now that I have the $500 lammer, I'd like to get the cash back and then use the lammer to cover some of the cost. Is there a time limit on when you can void your entry?
Just go to registration.
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Old 06-18-2019, 05:21 PM   #648
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For those interested in how the CC registrations appear at WSOP compared to PHo...the entries paid by credit card at PHo showed as Bravo Poker followed by their number in Spring (TX).

Entries paid for by credit card at WSOP appeared as Rio Suite Hotel and Casino, also with the Bravo number in Spring.

More importantly to some is that, as expected from the previous two years, the entries made through the Bravo site and printed through FasTrak consoles coded as a Sale in the category of Entertainment- Commercial Sports, Pro Sports Clubs. I used one card at PHo and a different one at WSOP (bonus whoring). This was the first year for the CC payment option at PHo.

CC verification at one does not carry over to the other. So, there is still a process to be followed at both PHo and the Rio. However, it need not be the day of the event. I did my PHo verification sometime around 8AM for an event that was still a few hours off (was staying on site the first night). Had one person in front of me at the Rio around 1P on the day of the $1500 Stud 8/B.
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Old 06-19-2019, 11:43 AM   #649
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So one of the players from our room was playing in the Super Seniors event yesterday. There's an update on wsop dot com that he should have won a hand but the pot was pushed to the wrong player. No one saw that he caught a flush when his opponent rivered 2-pair. He misread it too and left the room. By the time they realized the mistake (it was the last hand before a break) he was long gone. His stack got blinded out from 190k. But the update that the bubble hit was about 30-40 minutes after the update of his situation. He's listed as busting with no payout. Shouldn't 190k be enough to have made it to the bubble with that short of a time frame? Blinds were 2500/5000/5000BBA when they came back from break. Are there rules in place that he can't cash in that spot?
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Old 06-19-2019, 01:45 PM   #650
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Nevermind. He did cash, not sure how I missed it.
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