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Old 02-04-2019, 01:41 PM   #276
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The structures look much deeper this year. Using an adapted formula of the s-pts system, I get the below:
Milly Maker imprves from 126 pts to 153
Monster stack goes from 155 to 177
Colossus goes from 56 to 112 (!!!)
Big 50 is 126 pts.

If you want more details, I made a full post on my Instagram account: @tintin_poker

Some good comments in this thread about it being attractive (or not) for rec players.
My belief is that it is a good thing: despite the tournament lasting a day longer, most rec players want to start with a ton of chips and know they won't make it to the last day. They come to have fun and nourish a dream.

All things considered, I would say it is for the best and not as ambivalent as some regs are saying.

wait really? that seems way lower than I thought, i thought itwas gonna bea roudn 150, colossus only 10pts lower.

is the big 50 really a decent structure overall? doesnt seem as slow as I thought : (
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Old 02-04-2019, 02:04 PM   #277
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wait really? that seems way lower than I thought, i thought itwas gonna bea roudn 150, colossus only 10pts lower.

is the big 50 really a decent structure overall? doesnt seem as slow as I thought : (
126 s-pts, for a structure, is pretty good imo. Above 150-160, it starts to be very very long events. I don't think it would be a good thing. If you want deep, play the monster stack, or even the marathon (I know the price point is higher...)

Also, when you say the Colossus in only 10pts lower, keep in mind that the Colossus last year was much much lower in term of s-pts. So we can't compare it to the shove fest we know.

If you want to compare the Big 50 this year to an event last year, you can compare it to the Milly Maker. I played it (and cashed). It was a very decent structure: I ended up day 1 with my starting stack and still had 19BB.
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Old 02-04-2019, 03:10 PM   #278
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The 4 day on some 10k events is it put as default just in case it can take a fourth day?
Will it be 3 days by default if there is enough time?
4 days for some events would suck for overlapping events.
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Old 02-04-2019, 04:36 PM   #279
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I'm probably in minority but structures have gotten too good and therefore too long.
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:13 PM   #280
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I'm probably in minority but structures have gotten too good and therefore too long.
I don't think you are in the minority overall, but probably in the minority of players who care about things like structure. And I tend to agree with you.

I donít really understand why anyone would prefer to grind for the better part of two days just to have a shot at a min cash. I also donít understand why it has to be a black/white question. Just because you donít have the absolute slowest structure possible doesnít mean the structure sucks. IMO, an ideal structure would be something like 20-30K starting chips, standard (ie Chainsaw-approved) blinds, 40-45 minute levels day 1, 50-60 minute levels day 2+. Such an event would likely make the money (or awfully close to it) on day 1 while still providing plenty of play on day 1. And the later it got, the more play there would be when more significant money was at stake. And the whole thing would be over in 3 days or so.
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Old 02-04-2019, 05:44 PM   #281
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I think the impact is going to be small on the overall length of the tournament. For example, the Milly Maker "extra day" is for the final 6 to come back, last year they reached the final 6 in the late afternoon of Day 4. Now they plan to do so at the end of Day 4, and let those 6 come back fresh.

Last year, the MM played 10 full levels on Day 1, starting Day 2 at 500/1000/100, making a starting stack right at 3 orbits, average stack was 50k, so 50BB.

This year, the MM will play 11 full levels on Day 1, starting Day 2 at 1000/2000/2000, making a starting stack 5 orbits. If 20% of the field is left, avg stack will be 62.5 BB.

So Day 2 will start a little bit deeper, with a few more people, but it should be tracking pretty close behind the tourney from last year after that. Day 3 this year will start at 10/20/20, making a starting stack 0.5% of an orbit. Last year, Day 3 started at 5/10/1, making a starting stack just under 0.5% of an orbit.
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:00 PM   #282
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I think the impact is going to be small on the overall length of the tournament. For example, the Milly Maker "extra day" is for the final 6 to come back, last year they reached the final 6 in the late afternoon of Day 4. Now they plan to do so at the end of Day 4, and let those 6 come back fresh.

Last year, the MM played 10 full levels on Day 1, starting Day 2 at 500/1000/100, making a starting stack right at 3 orbits, average stack was 50k, so 50BB.

This year, the MM will play 11 full levels on Day 1, starting Day 2 at 1000/2000/2000, making a starting stack 5 orbits. If 20% of the field is left, avg stack will be 62.5 BB.

So Day 2 will start a little bit deeper, with a few more people, but it should be tracking pretty close behind the tourney from last year after that. Day 3 this year will start at 10/20/20, making a starting stack 0.5% of an orbit. Last year, Day 3 started at 5/10/1, making a starting stack just under 0.5% of an orbit.
Last year's Milly took 8 hours to eliminate the last 6 players. So clearly, this last section of the event accounted for a significant chunk of the overall length. To me, the issue isn't so much that they scheduled things to allow the last 6 to start on a new day. Its just that everything is pushed back.

Last year the money was reached on day 1. This year it won't be. That in itself is sort of a big deal. Whether the money bubble is reached within 2 hours of the start of day two or 3 hours isn't an issue. Once you have to come back for day two to cash, an hour here or there isn't going to be a problem. But if it starts stretching to 4 hours plus or something like that, then it becomes an issue since obviously it could be still quite a bit longer before anything but a small profit is reached (depending on the payout structure). So I guess we'll have to see how the new structure effects this.

They did do themselves a big favor by moving the event to Fri/Sat instead of Sat/Sun. We'll see how it plays out.
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:10 PM   #283
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Last year was the first time the $$ was made on day 1 in the Milly, it was usually early on Day 2 before that, as it will be this year.

Agree, Fri/Sat start days are good.
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:15 PM   #284
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Last year was the first time the $$ was made on day 1 in the Milly, it was usually early on Day 2 before that, as it will be this year.

Agree, Fri/Sat start days are good.
They played down to 15% last year which allowed for it. Did they use BSF last year? I wonder why the change?

Also, it was early on day 2 when chip stacks started at like 4500 or maybe 7500. We'll see how early it is this year.
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Old 02-04-2019, 06:20 PM   #285
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They played down to 15% last year which allowed for it. Did they use BSF last year? I wonder why the change?

Also, it was early on day 2 when chip stacks started at like 4500 or maybe 7500. We'll see how early it is this year.
Was not BSF. They used to play 10 levels on Day 1, which resulted in the bubble bursting early Day 2, including with exactly the same structure as last year. Last year, they changed the plan to play down to exactly 15% so that Day 1 ended with the bubble, so they played part of Level 11 on Day 1 as well.

Playing a complete 11 levels this year should have it close. I would take "under 3 levels on Day 2" for bubble burst.
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Old 02-04-2019, 08:09 PM   #286
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126 s-pts, for a structure, is pretty good imo. Above 150-160, it starts to be very very long events. I don't think it would be a good thing. If you want deep, play the monster stack, or even the marathon (I know the price point is higher...)

Also, when you say the Colossus in only 10pts lower, keep in mind that the Colossus last year was much much lower in term of s-pts. So we can't compare it to the shove fest we know.

If you want to compare the Big 50 this year to an event last year, you can compare it to the Milly Maker. I played it (and cashed). It was a very decent structure: I ended up day 1 with my starting stack and still had 19BB.

thank you, i want a slower structure for a good price big 50 seems to be my best bet! thank you.

also didnt know colossus this year was going ot be THAT much better! for only 100$ less too, they both seem to be good then correct?

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Old 02-04-2019, 08:47 PM   #287
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I think it's amazing how much the schedule has evolved over the last few years in terms of how it caters for rec players. That 2 week window from around June 20 onwards leading up to the main with the monster stack and all the cheaper buyins with deep stacks and good structures is awesome I reckon.
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Old 02-04-2019, 10:55 PM   #288
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guys I have a question about teh BIG 50.


iF i PLAY ON SATURDAY, do I automatically get on day 3 after 8 levels like it says? so I play saturday, 8 levels, if I escape I wait till wednesday since im in day 3?
If you play Day 2B on Saturday after playing Day 1B on Friday, that is correct. If you play Day 1C on Saturday, you are very wrong.
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Old 02-04-2019, 11:04 PM   #289
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If you play Day 2B on Saturday after playing Day 1B on Friday, that is correct. If you play Day 1C on Saturday, you are very wrong.
yeah i deleted it im a ****ING IDIOT, if I play saturday, i come back and play monday. my bad. sorry lol
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Old 02-04-2019, 11:52 PM   #290
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How did you obtain this offer? I called and said I had an offer code (CI340578) but was told promotional offers are not transferable.

I was quoted a price of $126 per night including tax & resort fee for Jun 21 to Jul 5.
Is it possible that every M-Life member gets a unique offer code? Wow. I did not consider that possibility. Sorry.
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Old 02-04-2019, 11:58 PM   #291
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Well, I should hope the structure is deep. Itís scheduled for 5 days. Iím not sure I've ever heard of a 5-day tourney for $500, so it should definitely be unique.
It is still a turbo tournament. They advertise for more chips and longer rake free cheap buy-in tournament, however, the reality is that you still start with only 100bb.

That being said, the big50 is a good value and will definitely be a unique experience because of the crowned that it will bring.
Good luck
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:15 AM   #292
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The big 50 is 7 days long with four(4) day 1's ; lol
Actually, it is
  • 3-day tournament - with a total of 9 days playing to a winner.
  • Day 1 & day 2 is played consecutively in 4 flights (Thursday, May 30 - June 4)
  • Day 3 is played in 3 flights Wednesday, June 5,6,7

Good news is that you have to survive only one of the 4 flights...(day 1 & 2) to move to day three.
Good news also that you will make the money every day 2 of the 4 flights and you will move to day 3 on Wednesday, June 5 already in the money.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:17 AM   #293
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It is still a turbo tournament. They advertise for more chips and longer rake free cheap buy-in tournament, however, the reality is that you still start with only 100bb.



That being said, the big50 is a good value and will definitely be a unique experience because of the crowned that it will bring.

Good luck

Thatís a truly laughable comment. The S-points prove you very wrong. For one, a ďturboĒ has nothing to do with how many bigs you start with. For two, no tourney with super gradual increases in 50 minute levels is a turbo. For three, you start with 250 bigs not 100.

Itís one of the slowest structures for that price point in the history of poker, no idea what you are on about.
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Old 02-05-2019, 12:41 AM   #294
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Thatís a truly laughable comment. The S-points prove you very wrong. For one, a ďturboĒ has nothing to do with how many bigs you start with. For two, no tourney with super gradual increases in 50-minute levels is a turbo. For three, you start with 250 bigs, not 100.

Itís one of the slowest structures for that price point in the history of poker, no idea what you are on about.
Per the structure sheet, you have to pay 200bb and 200 ante ..that's 400 add 100 for sb, that's 500 each orbit. Yes, technically it is not 100bb but the structure makes it as if playing with only 100bb.
Clearly, they succeeded convincing you it is otherwise.
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Per the structure sheet, you have to pay 200bb and 200 ante ..that's 400 add 100 for sb, that's 500 each orbit. Yes, technically it is not 100bb but the structure makes it as if playing with only 100bb.

Clearly, they succeeded convincing you it is otherwise.

Lol OMG the horror, I only have 100 orbits to start!! Iíll be blinded out in only 1000 hands! Turbo shovefest!

Pro tip: you donít count the cost per orbit as ďbig blindsĒ. They have formulas that rank tourney structures and this one is one of the slower $500 tourneys in history. To call it a ďturboĒ is completely silly and ignorant.

Also, uh, youíre completely wrong in your comment above about it being a 3 day tourney. There arenít three Day 3s. There are four flights that play day 1 and 2. They all consolidate for day 3, then day 4, then final table on day 5.

Feel free to link me to other $500 tourneys with 5 days of actual play. 2019 WSOP schedule
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Lol OMG the horror, I only have 100 orbits to start!! Iíll be blinded out in only 1000 hands! Turbo shovefest!

... To call it a ďturboĒ is completely silly and ignorant.

Also, uh, youíre completely wrong in your comment above about it being a 3 day tourney. There arenít three Day 3s. There are four flights that play day 1 and 2. They all consolidate for day 3, then day 4, then final table on day 5.
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You almost convinced me. I admit I was wrong.
I pro advice tho: your sarcastic remarks make it hard for people to respect what you write. Maybe for future posts, you want to state your opinion without silly remarks.
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You almost convinced me. I admit I was wrong.

I pro advice tho: your sarcastic remarks make it hard for people to respect what you write. Maybe for future posts, you want to state your opinion without silly remarks.

Dude you came in posting a combination of completely inaccurate info (100 bigs, 3 day 3 flights) which borks up the thread where people are trying to find info, topped with opinion comments with no basis in reality (turbo). Then when I point that out, you respond with a post acting like I canít do basic math and that I was convinced by WSOP propaganda. Your posts warranted the tone.

GL in Vegas.
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Old 02-05-2019, 03:52 PM   #298
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I have a dumb question about the Big 50 event. Is it possible that the below scenario occurs:
-You register for Day 1A, go to 2A and make the money.
-You bust and get your money
-You register to another Day 1 (it would be day 1C or 1D) and make the money again

=>Would the WSOP let you register to another flight if you already made the money? Would it count as 2 WSOP cash in your career or 1?
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Old 02-05-2019, 04:04 PM   #299
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I believe that scenario is possible as it has happened in the past for the Colossus and maybe some others. However, I believe it is only treated as one cash. Based on when it happened to me, your name will only appear once in the results section on wsop.com, with the total amount cashed for.
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I have a dumb question about the Big 50 event. Is it possible that the below scenario occurs:
-You register for Day 1A, go to 2A and make the money.
-You bust and get your money
-You register to another Day 1 (it would be day 1C or 1D) and make the money again

=>Would the WSOP let you register to another flight if you already made the money? Would it count as 2 WSOP cash in your career or 1?

WSOP confirmed on Twitter this can happen. Not sure how it would be reported, but theyíve done as the poster above noted in the past.
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