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Old 03-28-2018, 08:03 PM   #176
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anyone standing up for the wynn in regards to overpromising and undelivering is missing the point. Don't make promises you can't keep. Don't make commitments you can't fulfill.
The Wynn serves up the best poker in town, there's no doubt about it. But thats irrelevant in regards to this matter.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:06 PM   #177
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anyone standing up for the wynn in regards to overpromising and undelivering is missing the point. Don't make promises you can't keep. Don't make commitments you can't fulfill.
The Wynn serves up the best poker in town, there's no doubt about it. But thats irrelevant in regards to this matter.
You're definitely right. Schedule was in hand on Monday and ready to be posted. Unfortunately we found an error at the last minute.

Lesson learned, was trying to be helpful.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:14 PM   #178
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If you had to guess, what would you say the 6/16 1M gaurantee prize pool ends up being?
This event ended up with 2.3MM prizepool last year and, IMO, was the biggest hit of the series.. This year it has one day 1 less, and that time period is a little more congested than last year with similar events. But I would be surprised if it gets less than ~2MM. Frankly, I would have liked to see them up the guarantee a bit... at least to 1.25MM given how successful it was last year.
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Old 03-28-2018, 08:22 PM   #179
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Old 03-29-2018, 08:28 PM   #180
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This will take a few days to upload to wynnpoker.com, but here is the PDF version.

https://www.visitwynn.com/documents/...merClassic.pdf

Please let me know if anyone has any questions. Thanks!
This is great. Thank you!

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Old 04-11-2018, 03:18 PM   #181
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Structure sheets are live at:

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Old 04-11-2018, 04:14 PM   #182
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Old 04-11-2018, 04:42 PM   #183
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Sad...had originally hoped to play the Seniors event. Guess last week will be the last event for me at Wynn. At least it was a cash...
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Old 04-12-2018, 01:44 AM   #184
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Sad...had originally hoped to play the Seniors event. Guess last week will be the last event for me at Wynn. At least it was a cash...
Lmao. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

You soon won't be able to play anywhere with that stance.....
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Old 04-12-2018, 11:16 AM   #185
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Lmao. Talk about cutting off your nose to spite your face!

You soon won't be able to play anywhere with that stance.....
Fortunately, some properties have kept a number of the NLHE events with a traditional format. But much to the chagrin of some like you, there are also plenty of non-NLHE events that will be available for those of us that have adopted a position and will adhere to that position...

What the kids don't seem to be grasping is that some of us have lives that don't end if we cannot play any NLHE events. That discretionary income will get shifted somewhere else, be it cash games or be it non-NLHE events or perhaps even something not at all related to poker.
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Old 05-12-2018, 02:03 PM   #186
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Structure sheets are live at:

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Hi, it says "ITINs are required for Treaty Country exemptions".

Will you be issuing ITINs to players from tax treaty countries?

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Old 05-12-2018, 05:11 PM   #187
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Those daily NLHE from 6/4-6/7 last about 12-14 hours?
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:48 PM   #188
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Hi, it says "ITINs are required for Treaty Country exemptions".

Will you be issuing ITINs to players from tax treaty countries?

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Yes, we will assist and file the ITIN paperwork.
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Old 05-17-2018, 10:51 PM   #189
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Those daily NLHE from 6/4-6/7 last about 12-14 hours?
They should finish in the 2-3 am range. GL
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Old 06-29-2018, 04:52 PM   #190
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Played the Wynn 1100. Still dubious about the BBA. Encountered another wart in that the elimination of smaller denomination chips prevented the ability to make more precise/fine-grained bets both before and after the flop. Also tracked hands per hour for three hours and the results were 27, 25, 25. Not sure how this would compare to standard antes, but the numbers themselves don't seem all that different.

Overall, the BBA didn't seem to change the game-play much, though I'm obviously only looking at a small sample size. And I didn't last long enough to experience any of the table-break or table imbalance warts. It was all pretty much as expected. There definitely weren't any ante-caused delays in gameplay, other than the usual for making change, which can be taken care of by players. And, of course, players weren't bothered to look up from their phones and tablets for a few seconds on most hands, so that undoubtedly proved to be a plus for some.

The staff did a good job of running the event, the dealers were competent and the venue was great. It even felt less cramped compared to last year despite them adding a bunch of tables. Well done. My only gripe about the location would be the fact that there were tons of players standing around the perimeter smoking during breaks. It wasn't nearly as bad as the scene at the Aria a few years ago, but still, the non-smoking environment was anything but during breaks and for a while afterwards. I'm not really sure there's anything that can be done about it, given the confined space, but its something to look into.

Anyhow, looking forward to playing more tournaments at the Wynn in the future if the scheduling works out. They've done a great job in recent years of offering up some very compelling events. And given their success, I expect this will continue.
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Old 06-29-2018, 05:15 PM   #191
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The prevention of people betting 1675 is a feature, not a bug, of BBA. GMAFB at it making a material strategic difference. That's like a 15 handicap standing in the fairway for 5 minutes pacing off yardages to see if it is 172 or 174 to the center of the green.
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Old 06-29-2018, 05:35 PM   #192
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The prevention of people betting 1675 is a feature, not a bug, of BBA. GMAFB at it making a material strategic difference. That's like a 15 handicap standing in the fairway for 5 minutes pacing off yardages to see if it is 172 or 174 to the center of the green.
If there's no difference between making a 2.2x or 2.25x or 2.75x or 3x bet pre-flop, then I'm not really sure why so many players who seem to know what they're doing (at least outwardly) insist on doing so.

In any case, to you its a feature, to me its a bug. This just illustrates that everything involved with BBA has to do with people's preferences, and not much to do with improvement to the game as a whole.

If the game needs to be sped up, then we should introduce decision time banks and not mess around with the structure. It would be that simple.
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Old 06-29-2018, 06:10 PM   #193
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I'm not saying there is no difference in preflop sizing. What I am saying is that having to choose 1700 or 1800 instead of 1775 for a raise sizing at 400/800 doesn't matter and again it speeds up the game.

I would say 99%+ of people who do that or bet things like 5950 into 11k instead of 5900 or 6k are button clicking/imitating others. I'd be happy to hear why the difference is needed/beneficial tho.
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Old 06-30-2018, 07:48 PM   #194
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I'm not saying there is no difference in preflop sizing. What I am saying is that having to choose 1700 or 1800 instead of 1775 for a raise sizing at 400/800 doesn't matter and again it speeds up the game.

I would say 99%+ of people who do that or bet things like 5950 into 11k instead of 5900 or 6k are button clicking/imitating others. I'd be happy to hear why the difference is needed/beneficial tho.
The loss of the green chips has nothing to do with making weird bets after the flop where the green chip represents .5% of the bet. It has to do with pre flop bets and post flop bets where the pot is small.
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Old 07-02-2018, 03:54 PM   #195
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I'm not saying there is no difference in preflop sizing. What I am saying is that having to choose 1700 or 1800 instead of 1775 for a raise sizing at 400/800 doesn't matter and again it speeds up the game.

I would say 99%+ of people who do that or bet things like 5950 into 11k instead of 5900 or 6k are button clicking/imitating others. I'd be happy to hear why the difference is needed/beneficial tho.
The issue isn't when you can't bet 1750 instead of 1700 or 1800. It's when the big blind in level 1 is 100, and you can only raise to 200, 300, or more, and not 225, 250, or 275. At that point, the lack of granularity has more impact. Later on, not so much.

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Old 07-03-2018, 12:40 AM   #196
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The issue isn't when you can't bet 1750 instead of 1700 or 1800. It's when the big blind in level 1 is 100, and you can only raise to 200, 300, or more, and not 225, 250, or 275. At that point, the lack of granularity has more impact. Later on, not so much.

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The same issue exists irrespective of BBA in many locations when they color up the black chips prior to the 1500/3000 level. And this is often done outside a break. If they waited just one level, it would largely be an non issue, but there appears to be a tremendous impetus for removing smaller denomination chips from play as soon as physically possible.
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Old 07-03-2018, 04:17 AM   #197
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In any case, to you its a feature, to me its a bug. This just illustrates that everything involved with BBA has to do with people's preferences, and not much to do with improvement to the game as a whole.
You're exactly the type of player no reg or amateur likes. The kind of guy that bets 475 thinking that it will somehow give him an edge at 100/200 blinds. It won't.
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Old 07-04-2018, 02:51 AM   #198
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You're exactly the type of player no reg or amateur likes. The kind of guy that bets 475 thinking that it will somehow give him an edge at 100/200 blinds. It won't.
I am not really sure what you mean by "reg" or "amateur". I see people of all experience and skill levels betting all sorts of amounts. FWIW, I typically open at 550 at 100/200. and again, if there were no mathematical justification for making pre-flop raises at 2.2x, or 2.25x or 2.75x, then it seems a very large number of well known and well-regarded players have been delusional for some time now, according to your analysis. The question of whether these players are "liked" by others is outside the scope of this discussion IMO.
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Old 07-04-2018, 03:49 AM   #199
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Funny how everyone just ignored Greg Raymer coming into to rek that whole concept of people just wanting to be button clickers. The difference is a big one and any professional will tell you the same. Sounds to me like the dissenter is a calling station and doesnt care how much the bet is.
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Opening at 100/100 and 100/200 are a reasonable complaint. I would normally open 250 at 50/100 and go 300 and 100/100/100 since there is more money in the pot.

My points were: 1) the difference between opening 250 and 300 at that level in EV is completely minuscule. 2) most people couldn't actually tell you why they think their sizing is the most +EV, they are just clicking.

Watching ME coverage, there was an open at 200/400 to 1k, then a call. Then a guy 3bets to 4250. I can guarantee he couldn't mathematically show that 4250 is better than 4200 or 4300. He tossed the two greens on top for aesthetics or "just because".
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