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Old 03-08-2018, 10:48 PM   #126
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I dismiss it (to some degree), because I don't think its that big a benefit. Any sort of structure "irregularity" is something that can be taken advantage of by observant players. And why would you fret over structure "smoothness"... something that effects all players equally, but not really care about some of the inherent imbalance issues that the BB ante introduces, as described here by Greg Raymer...

https://forumserver.twoplustwo.com/s...1&postcount=58

Those issues affect individual players and tables of players unequally. Surely that is a bigger deal than whether the structure is a smoother, is it not?

Anyhow, if smoothness is the most important factor for you, and that's why you support the BB ante, then fine. I really don't wish to argue about it too much. To each their own. As long as you don't make any disprovable claims about how much faster it is, then I don't really have a huge quarrel, since other reasons are likely based on personal preferences.
Greg's main assumption in the post is wrong.
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Old 03-09-2018, 08:39 AM   #127
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Greg's main assumption in the post is wrong.
Care to expound?
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Old 03-09-2018, 09:28 AM   #128
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Another, no more will there be bets of 625, 1350, 1775, etc... east, breezy; just multiples of 100's. Its all homogeneous, thanks to our socialist brothers in California. Don't have to work thinking that an additional 25 may just be enough for this bet. The California weather has hit the poker field, we are all alike and that's that.

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Old 03-10-2018, 01:35 AM   #129
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My $.02 on the BB ante discussion.

Having played in several, I prefer the BB ante structure. Without quantifying the difference, it is self-evident that it is faster to collect antes and make change for one player vs. 9 or 10 and a BB structure gives more play, all other things being equal.

That said, Greg Raymer's point about inequity late in a tournament with unequal table sizes is a fair one.

As a compromise, I'd let to suggest that a good compromise would be that BB ante tournaments convert to the old standard ante format when tournaments get to the final 3 tables.

This doesn't eliminate the Raymer Inequity (new pronoun !), but considerably reduces it and preserves the benefit of smoother play and more hands per minute for the vast majority of the tournament.

Most existing BB structures modify when there are 4 players remaining (ante converts from BB amt to SB amt) and when there are 2 players remaining (ante disappears). The precedent for modifying the structure is already in place, I'm just suggesting moving it to a different point in time.

This is all in the spirit of eliminating legit obstacles to what I think is an excellent innovation in the poker community.
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Old 03-10-2018, 09:11 AM   #130
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Or you could do what the Aria high roller bowl did, which is after 20 mins no one has busted, you move the BB from the 7 handed table to the 6 handed table.
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Old 03-10-2018, 11:44 AM   #131
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Or you could do what the Aria high roller bowl did, which is after 20 mins no one has busted, you move the BB from the 7 handed table to the 6 handed table.
So now you're moving players from one table to another? I would hate that even more.
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Old 03-10-2018, 12:03 PM   #132
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My $.02 on the BB ante discussion.

Having played in several, I prefer the BB ante structure. Without quantifying the difference, it is self-evident that it is faster to collect antes and make change for one player vs. 9 or 10 and a BB structure gives more play, all other things being equal.

That said, Greg Raymer's point about inequity late in a tournament with unequal table sizes is a fair one.

As a compromise, I'd let to suggest that a good compromise would be that BB ante tournaments convert to the old standard ante format when tournaments get to the final 3 tables.

This doesn't eliminate the Raymer Inequity (new pronoun !), but considerably reduces it and preserves the benefit of smoother play and more hands per minute for the vast majority of the tournament.

Most existing BB structures modify when there are 4 players remaining (ante converts from BB amt to SB amt) and when there are 2 players remaining (ante disappears). The precedent for modifying the structure is already in place, I'm just suggesting moving it to a different point in time.

This is all in the spirit of eliminating legit obstacles to what I think is an excellent innovation in the poker community.
While the idea is probably sound, it just seems like it will lead to a lot of confusion and opportunities for delays and screw-ups due to a lack of dealer or floor competence.

Here's an idea though... why not just eliminate antes altogether? To compensate, you could have just 1 blind amount for both the first and second position to the left of the button (so 50/50, 100/100, and so on.)

This sort of system would eliminate any time it takes to collect antes (not significant, but fine, people like to feel like its a big time-saver). It would also be less likely to exacerbate some of the inequities brought about by unbalanced tables (The Raymer Inequity) and table break procedures.

There would be additional potential time savings benefits. I don't think these would add up to a ton either, but they do exist and people seem to think every second counts... anyhow, this system would eliminate the need for dealers to need to make SB change as often, and it also completely avoids the situation where the SB throws in a chip intending to raise and causing the inevitable argument and delay when they aren't allowed to raise.

Anyhow, I haven't thought it through completely... I'm guessing this would introduce some hand dynamics changes, and perhaps require some minor structure changes. But all in all, it accomplishes pretty much everything the BB ante process is supposed to accomplish (plus a little more) and avoids most if not all of the pitfalls.

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Old 03-10-2018, 01:33 PM   #133
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While the idea is probably sound, it just seems like it will lead to a lot of confusion and opportunities for delays and screw-ups due to a lack of dealer or floor competence.

Here's an idea though... why not just eliminate antes altogether? To compensate, you could have just 1 blind amount for both the first and second position to the left of the button (so 50/50, 100/100, and so on.)

This sort of system would eliminate any time it takes to collect antes (not significant, but fine, people like to feel like its a big time-saver). It would also be less likely to exacerbate some of the inequities brought about by unbalanced tables (The Raymer Inequity) and table break procedures.

There would be additional potential time savings benefits. I don't think these would add up to a ton either, but they do exist and people seem to think every second counts... anyhow, this system would eliminate the need for dealers to need to make SB change as often, and it also completely avoids the situation where the SB throws in a chip intending to raise and causing the inevitable argument and delay when they aren't allowed to raise.

Anyhow, I haven't thought it through completely... I'm guessing this would introduce some hand dynamics changes, and perhaps require some minor structure changes. But all in all, it accomplishes pretty much everything the BB ante process is supposed to accomplish (plus a little more) and avoids most if not all of the pitfalls.

Thoughts?
You're right, why not eliminate ante's altogether , but this is exactly what has been done . They've gotten rid of the antes and formed a new structure which has its own characteristics. There is no one for one correspondence between the old structure(s) and the new structure(s).

There are two parts to this event.

1) change of structure
2) elimination of antes( no matter what they call it)

This stuff is man made and the tournament director can make the structure in acceleration early as at level #5 or at level #12 or at level #20.

This is the Venetian Deep Stack structure for the Big Blind ante :

https://www.venetian.com/content/dam...m_BBA_1Day.pdf

Note that "antes" at the big blind aren't taken until level #4 which makes this structure different than the Wynn structure.

The more I look at this stuff the more I believe that the dynamics of play will change , better for some and worse for others; this exclusive of whether "they love not putting in antes". This kind of stuff can put one to sleep but hey, errors will come and no one is immune to error whether sleeping or not.
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Old 03-15-2018, 12:50 PM   #134
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Michelle, your poker attitude is the worst. I play poker in order to avoid people like you.
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Old 03-15-2018, 03:50 PM   #135
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Michelle, your poker attitude is the worst. I play poker in order to avoid people like you.
Good, I look forward to tilting the crap out of you if you land at a table where I happen to be.
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Old 03-15-2018, 11:58 PM   #136
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Iíve only had the opportunity to play in four BB tourneys and while Iím not totally sold on them most of the other players seemed to like them. Maybe after I play in more I will come to like them.
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:27 PM   #137
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When will their schedule be posted for Summer Classic 2018?
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Old 03-16-2018, 04:32 PM   #138
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When will their schedule be posted for Summer Classic 2018?
I think they are waiting for bickering to cease on this thread first!
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Old 03-16-2018, 05:05 PM   #139
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That's what I was afraid of
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Old 03-16-2018, 07:51 PM   #140
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I think they are waiting for bickering to cease on this thread first!
Nah, just making sure all our ducks are in a row!

We will release the full schedule before March 30, but stay tuned here and on twitter for some key date announcements next week.
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Old 03-20-2018, 11:03 PM   #141
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will parking be free?
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Old 03-21-2018, 12:31 AM   #142
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JLIP, They usually validate or comp the parking if you register for a tournament or play a set number of hours in a cash game (6 hours per day I believe). I know they did this for me for the Wynn Spring Classic. I registered for tournaments on Tuesday and Thursday, and played 6 hours cash on Wednesday, and all my parking was taken care of. All I had to do was speak to the poker front desk.
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Old 03-21-2018, 02:30 PM   #143
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Will Wynn do a poker series during WSOP? All other casinos already published their schedule... ?
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Old 03-21-2018, 02:33 PM   #144
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Will Wynn do a poker series during WSOP? All other casinos already published their schedule... ?
Look up 3 (now 4) posts.
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Old 03-21-2018, 05:35 PM   #145
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JLIP, They usually validate or comp the parking if you register for a tournament or play a set number of hours in a cash game (6 hours per day I believe). I know they did this for me for the Wynn Spring Classic. I registered for tournaments on Tuesday and Thursday, and played 6 hours cash on Wednesday, and all my parking was taken care of. All I had to do was speak to the poker front desk.
Yes, we offer complimentary self-parking daily for cash play or a tournament entry.

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Some key dates will be posted this Friday the 23rd, with the entire schedule coming out by the end of the month. Thanks for your patience.
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Old 03-22-2018, 10:17 PM   #146
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Going to be some unhappy campers as appears that the Wynn are implementing the BB ante for all events other than PLO this summer........personally I'm delighted as thought is was superb during the recent series there!
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Old 03-23-2018, 08:37 PM   #147
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Here are some key dates for the 2018 Summer Classic. The schedule will be released in it's entirety next week.

June 11
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

June 13
$550 PLO $100k gtd.

June 14-17
$1100 $1M gtd.

June 26-29
$1100 $1M gtd.

July 8
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

July 9-13
$1600 Championship $1.5M gtd.
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Old 03-24-2018, 12:10 AM   #148
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Here are some key dates for the 2018 Summer Classic. The schedule will be released in it's entirety next week.

June 11
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

June 13
$550 PLO $100k gtd.

June 14-17
$1100 $1M gtd.

June 26-29
$1100 $1M gtd.

July 8
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

July 9-13
$1600 Championship $1.5M gtd.
Good start, looking forward to the rest of the schedule! Still the best run and most comfortable poker room! Couldn't imagine playing anywhere else at comparable price points!

Now if they could only eliminate smoking on the rail during their tournaments, 😄
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Old 03-24-2018, 11:24 AM   #149
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Here are some key dates for the 2018 Summer Classic. The schedule will be released in it's entirety next week.

June 11
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

June 13
$550 PLO $100k gtd.

June 14-17
$1100 $1M gtd.

June 26-29
$1100 $1M gtd.

July 8
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

July 9-13
$1600 Championship $1.5M gtd.
Thanks for posting here! Looks very good, especially the 1100$ NLH (1 million Gtd) and the 550$ PLO.
I remember playing a very good PLO event at Wynn, with 40-minute levels and a final table on day 2, hope you can offer such a great structure.
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Old 03-24-2018, 11:28 AM   #150
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Here are some key dates for the 2018 Summer Classic. The schedule will be released in it's entirety next week.

June 11
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

June 13
$550 PLO $100k gtd.

June 14-17
$1100 $1M gtd.

June 26-29
$1100 $1M gtd.

July 8
$550 Seniors $100K gtd.

July 9-13
$1600 Championship $1.5M gtd.
Thought the championship would be at least a $2 million guarantee. Hope the structures for these events are top notch.
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