In his defense, he is trying to argue that the $235 deepstack's structure makes it so that you win/cash more often by explaining that you can lose important hands and be more likely to survive.

Thanks, I think I will mix between the $185 and $235 tournaments, I am not a late night player anyway. I will play them daily for 2 weeks when I arrive in late June.
I think it will be a lot of fun. My budget is only 2k for mtts.

Yeah, and as well saying in the $235, at the final table, you can't survive those two beats when you are middle of the pack stack. I had to be the overwhelming chip leader (I had like 35% of the chips going into the final table) to win. Otherwise I am out in 7th, when the first one happened. People are committing their stack light. It's a great spot to be in, but it's pretty much like you have to win every race or pre-flop all-in, else you are crippled or gone. It doesn't let you play your way through and take a hit, then rebuild, etc.

This is my main argument playing an afternoon series tourney at Venetian or Caesars for the lower buy-in. The fields will still be sizable, and if you reach a final table, you will be able to play since the levels are stretched longer and both structures don't see 40k/80k to 60k/120k to 80k/160k jump in a half hour, making it a shove fest when you are playing for the higher payouts.

Again, I'll play some of these deep stacks because you can't beat the value, and I did have success in them. I am not trying to knock them repeatedly, but I feel like some are mistaking what I am saying, haha. I just warn anyone who has yet to play them or go deep, that making a deep run will force you to make a decision with pretty much every marginal hand, and if you open for 3x, you might be committing yourself. Not an exaggeration.

My advice: Do play them, but explore other options for good value and better odds late.

Totally agree and this is also the reason I posted about the importance of avoiding penalties/missing hands.

These things are total crap shoots late, which is pretty annoying quite frankly. It would be nice if you could use your abilities to play into higher pay spots but you won't be able to here. That is, except your ICM and push/shove abilities combined with massive run good.

If you want skill to be rewarded, you really do need to be in a DSE event or other better late stage structure event.

I'd have asked for a second ruling from this person's superior. If that didn't work, I would have written a letter to Jack Effel or someone else at Caesars to complain. They can''t do anything about your unfortunate prize pool crapout after the fact, but they can offer you some comps (not saying they would...but still, worth a shot).

Structures for WSOP Daily Deepstacks:

$235

$185

$135

So they raised the rake? If I remember correctly it was $40 out of $235 last year, and now it will be $45 out of $235. I also don't understand why they moved them to 3pm when they already went late into the morning last year. They probably need tables for other events, but then just make these 2-day events or something already.

They moved it to 3 PM due to dealer issues from noon WSOP events. I do agree that it went late enough, but yeah, I say they could start structuring the $235 as a 2-day event and have a final table around 5 PM the next day with hour-long levels. It's only one table and with a better structure/hour levels at a final table, it increases the importance of the event and thus, they could get more spotlight on them to give someone a WSOP-like experience at a final table. Just a suggestion. That would be pretty cool I think.

For a comparison, here's the 2012 $235 Deepstack Structure (blinds are the same).

Yes, they did increase the rake by $5. At least it goes to the dealers and staff, though. Basically the house rake is still 12.8% and the staff is now getting a 6.4% tip (for the $235)

It's strange that they removed the bullet point that said that tournament is re-entry on the 2013 structure sheets. That appears to be a mistake. The Side Action PDF on the main 2013 WSOP homepage says that these are still re-entry through 4 levels.

Thanks Kev

Jeez, enough with the whining about the structure. A TWO HOUR final table isn't long enough? Give me a break.

So you don't like to be able to play out when there is a $20-some thousand dollar difference between 9th place and 1st place? You'd rather it be a shove fest than having poker be played?

What's the definition of "playing poker" ?

You know, when the chip leader actually has more than like 5 big blinds.

No, I don't know, kindah why i'm asking.

So, when the CL has more than 5BB, poker can be played by your definition.

1. When CL has 5BB or less, what is it ?
2. Considering the Blind structures, i would guess that if the CL has 5BB, the final table wouldn't last the 2hours previously stated, but way less ?
3. Why 5 and not 4 or 6 ?

lol you took that post way too seriously.

if you want a 1-day-event with 1000 people, you have to accept the structure it takes to get that done.

Who isn't accepting it? By opting to play the event, I am accepting the structure. I am also just letting those who haven't exactly played it or experienced it to be prepared to have to put your chips in the middle later in the tournament.

Also, I've simply stated that it would be real cool to have it as a two-day format where they have those added levels in there so the chips are fitted with that of a 'deep stack' tournament, where the stacks remain 'deep' later on. Then they pause for the final table, have hour levels, and allow you to play the WSOP experience if you make it that far. Also to be able to play out when the difference in payouts are so great.

Will this happen? Very unlikely. Can I wish? Can I suggest? Guess not. Sorry if I offended anyone.

All Thib was saying is that your definition of what is or isn't poker is pretty arbitrary. Further, if you don't think there is a huge difference in skill level (and expected $$$$ won) between good and bad players at 10bb then you should start studying now before you get to Vegas.

Just listened to WSOP conference call and they are going to have some sort of leaderboard for these. 1st place gets ME entry. No other prizes mentioned. Assuming none.

I felt like he or anyone else on here don't need an explanation of what I mean by 'playing poker'. If you do, then you should start studying before you get to Vegas.

I replied with a comment that was pretty clear sarcasm I thought. So no need to take it seriously. Again, I didn't 100% explain what I meant, because everyone should know what I meant. Regardless, it is what it is. I'll be there. See you at the Rio.


That is pretty sweet.

"- If this event is running long, the tournament director reserves the right to suspend play and resume the following day."

I guess there is a chance these could be 2-day tournaments?

If so, it's pretty slim.

These being 2 day tourneys would be awful, hope it never happens. But yeh as kevmath said its a real slim chance

it's kinda two days by default anyway. in 2010 when it started at 1PM and we had only 540 players we ended the final table at 7AM. a year later started at 2PM, over 1100 players and we hit the money around 2AM and got to final table well after 6AM. so it's either one REALLY loooooon day or 2 days without bagging and tagging in the middle