The terrible $190+$30+$15 ($235) daily so-called "Deepstack" Turbos has hard-to-beat fees of 19.1%. There's no point in wasting a $500 lammer to get only $460 worth of turbos or only $475 cash.

The $185 (145+26.25+13.75) and $135 (100+22.5+12.5) Turbos are worse with 21.6% and 25.9% fees, respectively.

Will be looking to buy lammers at 95%. Not sure I will be able to use them all, hence the small discount. PM if wanting to meet up for exchange

I'm sure you're making your offer because "you're not sure if you'll use them all". You're looking to get a 5% discount on your buy ins. Be a man and say it

So you not only refer to yourself in the third person, but you refer to yourself in the third person with your undoubtedly self-given nickname. Between that and your videos you linked to when you offered to beat me up at the WSOP, I'm not sure if you're a real person or just a caricature of a person.

Those sound terrible, but can you recco anything better? It doesn't count if the buy-in is twice as high or it runs twice per summer or it takes more than a day to finish.

Sounds like Allen's "I might lose them or forget about them" so I have to only give you 95%. If you're gonna be cheap, just admit it.

The Wardog would like for you to keep the conversation on topic. Also violence is never the answer.

I am now offering to buy lammers at 94%, I am doing this for a 6% discount, since I don't care about the STT economy. Is it a good deal for you or anyone to sell me a lammer? Nope it ain't.

Wardog

I've never sold a lammer for less than face value. I've never seen anyone get ejected from the casino for trying to sell. I have, a couple of times, had a security guard say "hey, you can't do that here." Usually this was inside the registration room.

I've usually sold them near the STT podium or outside in the smoking section.

Anyone know what color they are this year?

Thanks to whomever started this thread for this year. I hope to have to sell several Lammers starting next week! Good luck to all!

Me too, I will use this thread if I got lammers to buy or sell, thanks guys

Haha, ok wardog. If for some unlikely reason Tuscaloosa Johnny has a lammer he needs to sell then Tuscaloosa Johnny might just sell it to you at a 93 percent rate, for your good humor.

Many people are seduced by the big payouts "up top" in the Rio $235, which admittedly you won't get anywhere else for a 1-day in that price range. But you have to make it through fields of 1500+ runners with a structure that gets pretty accelerated after a few levels. For rake alone, if you are there on a day that Aria is running their 1pm $235 (i.e., not a WPT500 day), it has virtually the same structure as the Rio Deepstacks with a marginally lower rake (17.4% vs. 19.1%) and smaller field.

If you're willing to go up to $300 ($65 more) and are in town during the right time periods, the Wynn $300 tourneys have a much better structure and a 13.6% rake. Those will be smaller fields, and the 1-day $300 tourneys are only June 7-10, 14-16, 22-29, and July 5-11. But still responsive to your question. If you can do $350 or $400, the Golden Nugget $350, Planet Hollywood $400, and Venetian Deepstacks $400 events all have much better structures, with rakes of 14.3%, 12.7%, and 14.5%, respectively. But I recognize that especially at the $400 level, we are getting close to "twice as high" a buyin, those events are not running every day, and I'll leave alone the Venetian political issue. But if you are genuinely asking for alternatives those are the events I would consider.

+1/2 on that post.

Good points and good advice on all, though I'd be willing to bet that of all of those fields the Rio Daily Deepstacks have the softest fields (with the GN at least in competition for that "honor.") Can the soft fields make up for the high rake? Maybe, maybe not.

Maybe not, but without a doubt in my mind, the big payouts in the WSOP Deepstacks more than make up for it. I don't go to Vegas in the summer to grind out a living 600 bucks at a time. I'm taking shots at real bankroll boosters.

Security does stop the transfer of lammers if it's done in front of them but I've never heard of anyone being kicked out and I doubt this would happen unless someone has a bad attitude towards the security guard.

There's nothing wrong with Allen charging a vig to trade lammers for cash. To say he is scamming is ridiculous. He's being compensated for a service that someone else wants. If you don't like him charging a vig then don't sell to him. I'm not the type to ask strangers to buy my lammers so if I have more than I need, I would use Allen's services (after checking with friends first obv)

I think the objection to Allen buying at a discount is not so much the discount itself, it's the way he drastically overstates the risk of selling and the reasons he's given to justify why why he will not pay full price. If he just said "I'll buy at 95%" and left it at that, people would have fewer issues with it. But when he's saying "I'll buy at 95% and you should take it or risk being ejected from the Rio by trying to sell to someone else" some people start throwing the "S" word around.

Correct

This, couples with that fact as a 'known' player who appears to pride himself on his battle for tournament value, for him to try to look out for himself and take extra value...

I don't know if $5 is enough incentive to attract many buyers but I like the idea of not trolling around the cage to sell lammers.

I'm in.

So we can all hate on the guy because he's successful? I constantly hear in poker its all about the percentages, take the small edge wherever you can get it. Isn't that what he's essentially doing?

Selling one, face value. At Rio now. Please PM if you can help me out.

EDIT: sold, nevermind.

I have one unused lammer i bought from someone a few years ago. To break even id have to buy and use 20 more at $475;each.

Anyone got a picture of this year version ?

I'll buy your expired lammer for $20

Just wait until that color comes round again...