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Old 04-27-2017, 04:53 PM   #51
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Re: Structure Analysis - Vegas 2017

Planet Hollywood is now up on my site (only Golden Nugget is outstanding now). And I redid my comparison page:

http://rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/p...c/analysis.php

No limit Hold'em as it the top and is pretty complex, but hopefully not overwhelming. Omaha is at the bottom and just compares similar tournaments against their last year counterparts.
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:00 AM   #52
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... only Golden Nugget is outstanding now.
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I tweeted Golden Nugget and they said structure sheets are coming out this Saturday. Two more days.
'bout time
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Old 05-05-2017, 07:29 PM   #53
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http://www.goldennugget.com/lasvegas...GPSDetails.pdf

Posted by Salette in GN thread
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Old 05-08-2017, 11:09 AM   #54
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Golden Nugget has been added. All data for Vegas 2017 is loaded and the Comparisons page is updated as well.
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Old 05-08-2017, 02:01 PM   #55
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Apologies if I'm missing it.
Is the Planet Hollywood 8 PM nightly Valuestack ($130), in your listing?


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Old 05-08-2017, 02:53 PM   #56
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Yes, but only one time, I didn't actually fill in a new record for every night. For all daily tournaments use the text filter in the left column with the word 'Daily':

http://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.c...p?s_Text=Daily
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Old 05-08-2017, 03:06 PM   #57
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Thanks plog - see it now.
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Old 05-09-2017, 07:15 PM   #58
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Golden Nugget has been added. All data for Vegas 2017 is loaded and the Comparisons page is updated as well.
Wow! If I was the Nugget I would take a page out of Trump's playbook, not release the structures and claim that no one cares about this sort of thing anyway. Because anyone that does play that series really does not care about ROI whatsoever. The senior is OK particularly since you get to play against old people and mostly people who play the other ****ty structure/high rake GN events. So much better stuff. They really should never have released the structures.
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Old 05-10-2017, 01:03 PM   #59
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I like the comparison analysis you did. But I have a question about the methodology. In the 1000-1999 range, you are showing 17 events at the Venetian. I count 14. Which events am I missing?

5/29 $1100 SuperStack (2)
6/05 $1100 MSPT (3)
6/15 $1100 Bounty (1)
6/19 $1600 (3)
7/03 $1100 Bounty (1)
7/05 $1100 SuperStack (1)
7/07 $1600 Bounty (1)
7/14 $1100 SuperStack (2)
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Old 05-10-2017, 02:57 PM   #60
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You missed 3 $1,100 Bounty tournaments:

#40 on 6/8
#59 on 6/22
#82 on 7/6
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:24 PM   #61
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You missed 3 $1,100 Bounty tournaments:

#40 on 6/8
#59 on 6/22
#82 on 7/6
Those are all single day tourneys. I thought you weren't counting those for the same reason you don't count turbos and satellites... they're designed to be structured faster in order to end in one day.
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Old 05-10-2017, 04:45 PM   #62
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Single day has nothing to do with it. I counted each flight of a multi-flighted tournament as 1 tournament (A, B, C = 3). I also excluded tournaments that ran on a set schedule every day (WSOP dailies). An actual series event wasn't excluded unless it had a specific keyword (Turbo, Satellite, Online) or occured after 5pm.
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Old 05-10-2017, 06:06 PM   #63
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Single day has nothing to do with it. I counted each flight of a multi-flighted tournament as 1 tournament (A, B, C = 3). I also excluded tournaments that ran on a set schedule every day (WSOP dailies). An actual series event wasn't excluded unless it had a specific keyword (Turbo, Satellite, Online) or occured after 5pm.
I think there's still something wrong with your filter. The Venetian did not have 21 NLH "flights" in the 1000-1900 range last year, even if you count the single-day tourneys. It had 17. It had some evening flights in this range, but I believe these were all turbos. In any case, these tourneys were not their featured daily events, so I think they should have been eliminated by your after 5:00 filter.

Otherwise, I think there are some tweaks you can make to improve the comparison...

1) I don't think its fair to PH to compare their 2K ME to the Venetian 5K ME or the Venetian 10K High roller, or the other big-buy-in events at the WSOP. To that end, you might consider adding another buy-in range and doing something like...

0-299, 300-499, 500-999, 1000-1999, 2000-4999, 5000-10001

2) I think you should reconsider your inclusion of single-day events, or maybe separate them out as a separate category, like you did Omaha. The single day tourneys skew the comparison, because the Venetian/Wynn are pretty much the only venues which offer them in the $500+ range. And not only do they offer them, but they constitute the majority of their offerings in this range. Obviously a tourney which is designed to complete in one day is going to have a different structure than one which is scheduled for three days. So comparing the Venetian single day $600 or Wynn single day $550 to the PH Ultimate Goliath stack $600 or GN Main Event $570, is not a fair evaluation.

Including singe-day events in the price-points below $500 is not as unfair, since pretty much all the venues have these types of events.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:20 AM   #64
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I think you have fair points, but I also think I did it as fair as reasonable. I mean, I had to distill down over 400 NLH tournaments worth of data into something people could digest and not drown in. My ultimate goal is just to give people a benchmark of what to look for in their price range. Then go off and find specific tournaments near those benchmarks.
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Old 05-12-2017, 01:39 PM   #65
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I think you have fair points, but I also think I did it as fair as reasonable. I mean, I had to distill down over 400 NLH tournaments worth of data into something people could digest and not drown in. My ultimate goal is just to give people a benchmark of what to look for in their price range. Then go off and find specific tournaments near those benchmarks.
So appreciated. Thanks again. Your schedule is something I return to nearly everyday and a huge part of my summer planning.
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Old 05-12-2017, 05:29 PM   #66
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I think you have fair points, but I also think I did it as fair as reasonable. I mean, I had to distill down over 400 NLH tournaments worth of data into something people could digest and not drown in. My ultimate goal is just to give people a benchmark of what to look for in their price range. Then go off and find specific tournaments near those benchmarks.
I agree you've done a great job. I just think combining single-day tourneys with multi day tourneys leads to misleading numbers when there is such a disparity in the availability of the former. If you're going to pare things down to one number (or one small set of numbers), its important for that number to be meaningful. The average S-point figure has a lot less meaning if events with a very different target-audience and prevalence are jumbled up together. If a player is looking to play single-day tourneys, they want to know who offers the best structured single-day tourneys (or best value). If someone wants to play multi-day tourneys, they want to know the same, when it comes to those types of tourneys. As it stands, the average s-point figure simply indicates who offers the most of the single-day variety, and doesn't answer the important questions for either group of players.

Anyhow, your efforts are appreciated. I'm just suggesting ways for your analysis to be improved to become more useful.
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Old 05-12-2017, 10:10 PM   #67
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Plog this is awesome - love the Export too, so I can slice and dice it down further in Excel. Thanks for putting this together!
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Old 06-28-2017, 07:24 PM   #68
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Is there a way to evaluate the WSOP Main Event megas? Thx
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Old 06-29-2017, 08:54 AM   #69
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If you have a structure sheet through 18 levels you can evaluate any tournament:

http://www.rainbowspuppiessunshine.com/pokercalc/

You won't have to plug in 18 levels worth of data--you just need it to go that far so you can evaluate the structure. Once you understand all the inputs you can use the calculator at the bottom of the left column of every page of the site.
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:46 AM   #70
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plog, this is simply awesome! Great work!!
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Old 06-29-2017, 02:21 PM   #71
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Could the $1,100 WSOP Main Mega has 3 s points?
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Old 06-29-2017, 03:16 PM   #72
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Using the below structure sheet I got 29 S-Points for the $1100:

http://www.wsop.com/2017/2017%20WSOP...Structures.pdf

Orbit 6: 1100
Orbit 10: 4400
Orbit 14: 14000
Orbit 18: 60000
100% Minutes: 330
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Old 06-29-2017, 10:32 PM   #73
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Thank you. I guess I did not understand the "100% minutes"
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Old 06-30-2017, 09:27 AM   #74
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You determine the last level of the tournament where the orbit cost is greater the starting stack, and see how many minutes it takes to get there.

In the WSOP $1100 Main Mega you start with $6000, OrbitCost11 is 6000 (10*300 + 1000 + 2000) and OrbitCost12 is 8500 (10*400 + 1500 + 3000). So you can play 11 levels and levels are 30 minutes, so 330 is the 100% minutes value.
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Old 07-01-2017, 07:28 PM   #75
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A capit. Thx
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