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Old 04-03-2008, 04:37 PM   #1
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Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

When I was in Reno, I mentioned to several players in the $7500 WPT event that I was flying to Foxwoods. Surprisingly, Many people werent going to Foxwoods for the Prelims because of one reason; the 10AM start time. And since they weren't going for the Prelims, they decided not to fly across the country to play one 10k event, when Bellagio was going on. For people on the West Coast, this equates to a 7AM start and is just to hard to deal with after a string of West Coast Tourneys some of which start at 3PM.

The trooper that I am, I left from Reno with the intentions of playing the 1k, 1500, 2k 3k 5k and main event, I left reno in the afternoon and by the time I got to Foxwoods it was after 1AM east coast time (10 PM West Coast). I wasn't tired and couldnt get to sleep until around 4am. I had to set my alarm for 9 AM to give myself enough time to shower, get dressed and go to the registration area which is a mile from where the tournament area is and then get to my seat by 10AM.

Needless to say, I couldnt bring myself to doing that at 9AM (6AM West Coast time) and decided to skip the 1k. The next day was the Ladies Tournament, so I slept in late again. I have done well in the Act 3 Supersatellites, so I decided to play that at 6pm. I won my seat at about 3 AM, and guess what .... many of the players in that Satellite said there was no way they could make the 10AM start 1500 event. I got to sleep around 4 AM and could not get ready by 9 AM so I missed another tourney.

I did manage to get up in time to play the 2k and 3k events, but I felt really exhausted at the tables as did several other players. These events had less than 200 players and played out to the final table by 10 or 11pm. I asked during both events why they had to start at 10AM with no real response from anyone. During the 3k event, I pointed out that if they held the 5k event again at 10AM they would get less than 100 players. The tournament would easily make the final table by early evening, why not start at noon?

Management wouldnt budge and they ended up with 73 players.

Does anyone see the need for East coast Tourneys to start at 10AM (7 AM West Coast time)? What is the problem with starting at noon and playing to the final table or 2 AM? Had Foxwoods done this, I believe they would have had an increase of at least 25% in entries in the larger buyin tourneys, rather than have a drop off every day down to only 73 in the final prelim event.

The main event starts at noon.

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Old 04-04-2008, 01:31 AM   #2
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

I can understand why they didn't change the start time of the $5K mere day(s) before it happens. But your points are quite valid and I hope they take a look at changing the prelim starting times in the future. 10am just doesn't work for a lot of players.
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Old 04-04-2008, 01:05 PM   #3
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

I already had my flight and room booked and decided to skip foxwoods simply because, after looking on cardplayer, I remembered that the tournaments start at 7am pst. Playing $5000 mtts at 7am just doesnt work for me.
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Old 04-04-2008, 02:46 PM   #4
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

Just add it to the long list of things the Foxhole does wrong. It's as if they make every decision based on the opposite of human rational thought.

Another option if you need more sleep before a tourney is to make sure you are registered the night before and just miss the first couple levels. The blinds are so tiny that your stack will barely be dented. I understand one loses value because the very bad players are splashing around in those early levels givig chips away. But as we all know there are plenty of bad ones left in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th haha you get my point.

Just a thought.

I hate the Foxhole. If anyone is interested in a serious mass boycott please let me know. That place needs to be stopped.

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Old 04-05-2008, 01:30 AM   #5
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Just add it to the long list of things the Foxhole does wrong. It's as if they make every decision based on the opposite of human rational thought.

Another option if you need more sleep before a tourney is to make sure you are registered the night before and just miss the first couple levels. The blinds are so tiny that your stack will barely be dented. I understand one loses value because the very bad players are splashing around in those early levels givig chips away. But as we all know there are plenty of bad ones left in the 3rd, 4th, 5th, 6th, 7th haha you get my point.

Just a thought.

I hate the Foxhole. If anyone is interested in a serious mass boycott please let me know. That place needs to be stopped.

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A boycott isnt necessary just word from Foxwoods that ALL future tournaments will start at noon and play to the final table or 1 or 2 AM
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Old 04-05-2008, 02:34 PM   #6
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

I would have skipped the prelims, and maybe played the 2 EPT's over the main had I realized that the prelims were at 10am.
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Old 04-05-2008, 05:45 PM   #7
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

Wow. I sort of like the 10am start
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Old 04-05-2008, 06:41 PM   #8
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

It sucks for people who live on the West Coast, obviously, if you started a tournament at 10 am in Vegas no one would show up, let alone 7 am. It also sucks for people like me who live on the East Coast within driving distance but not that close (which I think is everyone because the last census showed that 12 people live within 60 miles of Foxwoods) because you can't drive there the morning of the tournament and have to spend an extra night in their crappy hotel or a nearby crappy hotel. And generally poker players are nocturnal people who play at night either in live cash games or on the Internet and aren't used to waking up early. Other than that it seems like a good idea.
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Old 04-05-2008, 10:55 PM   #9
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

10am start time is flat out retarded. This is poker we're talking about, games go late into the night and everyone sleeps in. Why the **** did we all drop out of school if we're gonna have to wake up in the morning like everyone else?
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Old 04-05-2008, 11:20 PM   #10
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Re: Foxwoods 10AM start time Costs them

Yeh, I don't care for the 10 AM sart time. Maybe it's a Puritan New England thing or something. In Ireland, I think the tournaments start at 2PM or 5PM. It is hard for people driving to the tournament and it doesn't fit with pros schedules.

However, there is so much going on in Nevada now that you are not going to get a lot of pros from the west coast anyway.
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Old 04-06-2008, 02:22 AM   #11
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Yeh, I don't care for the 10 AM sart time. Maybe it's a Puritan New England thing or something. In Ireland, I think the tournaments start at 2PM or 5PM. It is hard for people driving to the tournament and it doesn't fit with pros schedules.

However, there is so much going on in Nevada now that you are not going to get a lot of pros from the west coast anyway.
So the East Coast Tourneys should make it even more uninviting? This argument makes no sense.....
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Old 04-06-2008, 02:26 AM   #12
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I would have skipped the prelims, and maybe played the 2 EPT's over the main had I realized that the prelims were at 10am.
Is there a way to forward this thread to the powers that be at Foxwoods? Maybe they will revise the Fall Scedule since it is months away.......
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