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Old 11-05-2018, 08:09 PM   #176
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On Bohemian Rhapsody...

I was quite surprised to read all the negative reviews on the movie considering the cast, music and subject matter- and its PG-13 rating was almost enough to just convince me not to see it (ok, not really but I was bummed about the idea of a sterilized rock biopic.)

But youíd have to be a special kind of weirdo to not enjoy this film. Itís just lovely to watch and hear. Sure, it sidesteps all of the sexual debauchery, but itís a 2 hour film about one of the greatest rock frontmen of all time. It seems fine to focus on portraying the entertainment on stage and save the disection of Freddieís most intimate details for the 8-part Netflix docudrama.

In fact, I think the criticisms are somewhere between rampant disingenuousness and veiled homophobia. Think of all of the music biopic movies that have been made and how infrequently you read a criticism about the movie not delving deeply enough into the subjectsí most intimate sexual details. Itís not like Johnny Cashís sex life was devoid of interesting details. How come if itís Janis or Jimi a single scene of them sauntering off with a one night stand makes the point just fine but for Freddie a reviewer can give the film a single star just because the depiction of his sexual orientation wasnít quite graphic enough?

I donít know, I just think the whole thing stinks. Itís the wrong conversation to be having about the film and itís going to cost the artists involved some gold (the film artists, not Queen.)

Personally, I think the film did a great job of portraying Freddieís struggles with sexuality and privacy, the role Mary Austin played in his personal life, and the way they ďliterallyĒ villanized Paul Pretner. The Jim Hutton stuff was reasonably well handled also. And if you donít know who any of those people are even though you love Queenís music then you just strengthened my point.

Regarding Domís timeline criticisms... im surprised it bothered you for a few reasons. First, bands often write songs long before they end up recorded on an album and rehearse them long after they are recorded. So that fact should adequately fuel the suspension of disbelief needed to hear them perform some particular song at some particular time. Second, Iím surprised the musical timeline bothered you but the fact that FM announced his HIV status to the band before the Live Aid show didnít stand out as very close to impossible. Also if Queen broke up and werenít talking to each other until they reunited at Live Aid then thatís news to me (and whomever attended their tour the year prior.) So ya, the timeline doesnít check out but thatís nitpicking now isnít it?

Iím curious if anyone else was more offended by the critics than the film.
I haven't read any reviews of the movie....are critics really complaining about not delving into Freddie's sex life? I think the movie did it plenty. Personally, I don't care about other people's sex lives and couldn't care less about Freddie's...I could've done without all of it, actually, and just concentrated on the music. Or, go the other way and make a really controversial movie ABOUT his sex life. That might be interesting.

I just wanted a better movie. I certainly enjoyed it. And the timeline thing is nit-picking, yes, but dammit, it bothered me when it said "1980" and they started working on We Will Rock You.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:19 PM   #177
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I just don't like Queen's music, it's like the Fight Club of music to me.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:20 PM   #178
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I haven't read any reviews of the movie....are critics really complaining about not delving into Freddie's sex life? I think the movie did it plenty. Personally, I don't care about other people's sex lives and couldn't care less about Freddie's...I could've done without all of it, actually, and just concentrated on the music. Or, go the other way and make a really controversial movie ABOUT his sex life. That might be interesting.

I just wanted a better movie. I certainly enjoyed it. And the timeline thing is nit-picking, yes, but dammit, it bothered me when it said "1980" and they started working on We Will Rock You.
Sheila Oímalley on RogerEbert.com gave the film ONE STAR because she was so offended that it didnít handle his sexuality explicitly enough. WTF just the recreation of the Live Aid show and the editing and sound mixing alone makes it a good movie. Using fake butt-hurt to literally tarnish the whole film is not cool. Why not just say ďI personally wanted a gayer movie, but Iíll give it a reluctant thumbs up for craftsmanship aloneĒ which I honestly think is the worst review this movie could credibly deserve.
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:49 PM   #179
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lol well that's just stupid
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Old 11-05-2018, 08:57 PM   #180
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I was pretty offended when Oliver Stone's "The Doors" didn't focus at all Jim Morrison's love for (heterosexual) anal sex.
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:21 PM   #181
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This is gto. Same with just about all morality issues presented in these.
Gto?
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Old 11-05-2018, 09:33 PM   #182
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Old 11-05-2018, 10:35 PM   #183
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*woosh*

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Old 11-05-2018, 11:35 PM   #184
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Sheila Oímalley on RogerEbert.com gave the film ONE STAR because she was so offended that it didnít handle his sexuality explicitly enough. WTF just the recreation of the Live Aid show and the editing and sound mixing alone makes it a good movie. Using fake butt-hurt to literally tarnish the whole film is not cool. Why not just say ďI personally wanted a gayer movie, but Iíll give it a reluctant thumbs up for craftsmanship aloneĒ which I honestly think is the worst review this movie could credibly deserve.
Hmm
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Old 11-05-2018, 11:50 PM   #185
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*shrug* the critics want more explicit gay sex, to each his own. To me it sounds like a rockin' good movie as is.

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Old 11-06-2018, 12:19 AM   #186
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I like that there wasn't more sexual content in Bohemian Rhapsody. Not because I'm afraid of it but because a) it makes the movie more accessible to a wider audience and thus exposes more people to an elite band and interesting story, and b) it's none of our business.

The press conference scene really drove home the latter point.

The sexual content is toned down enough to where I might show the movie to my kids, as they LOVE Queen. It's there just enough that we get the point of what's going on, but it's not so in your face that I have to start explaining a bunch of stuff to my elementary school-aged son (he knows what being gay is and thinks it's hilarious that people have a problem with it, just doesn't know about sex).


It really is such an enjoyable movie - I was smiling the entire time. I understand the complaints about timeline stuff, but for the vast majority of people, it won't matter because they won't notice. It doesn't take away from the fun to have a couple songs switched around.
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Old 11-06-2018, 12:23 AM   #187
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the last twenty minutes is truly fantastic
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Old 11-06-2018, 12:59 AM   #188
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I just read that review of Bohemian Rhapsody on RogerEbert.com. Wow did she watch a different movie than I did. That's one of the worst reviews I've ever read in my life. Her take on things seems completely wrong.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:12 AM   #189
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Its one of those reviews that is not really about the movie but the agenda of the person writing the review.

Not worth paying any attention. Even if you share her political views.
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Old 11-06-2018, 02:39 AM   #190
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Happy Together made BBC's top 100. They could show it as a double feature with Bohemian Rhapsody and everybody would be happy.

Win/win.

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Old 11-06-2018, 03:52 AM   #191
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Its one of those reviews that is not really about the movie but the agenda of the person writing the review.
Exactly. Reminded me of another review I've read somewhere lately. Hmm....
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Old 11-06-2018, 12:28 PM   #192
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I was pretty offended when Oliver Stone's "The Doors" didn't focus at all Jim Morrison's love for (heterosexual) anal sex.
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Old 11-06-2018, 01:22 PM   #193
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Exactly. Reminded me of another review I've read somewhere lately. Hmm....

I really like TDK and am a moderate Nolan fanboy, but I thought BJ brought up fair points. I also didnít really observe those things, but itís hard to disagree that they are there and then itís a matter of asking why.

Iím also glad someone panned Gyllenhall in that. She is probably my least favorite actress and I donít understand why sheís so huge (I guess Jake/parents?). Did not enjoy her in The Deuce either.

Iíll never miss an opportunity to say TDKR is steaming garbage.
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Old 11-06-2018, 07:25 PM   #194
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Snoop,

Gyllenhall compared to Holmes, though? Tough call imo.

I really like Maggie in a bunch of her other movies, though! She's terrific in Stranger Than Fiction.

Agree about discussing politics in movies. I believe the stories we tell can provide a powerful mechanism for change to manifest in the real world, but I also just enjoy discussing all aspects of movies for its own sake. Kind of odd to me to somehow conflate discussing a movie's politics with pushing an IRL agenda. There's potential overlap, but it's not the same thing.
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Old 11-07-2018, 09:27 PM   #195
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I think I'm sufficiently drunk to pull the trigger on my several hundred dollar B&N Criterion purchase. I hate spending money but 50% off.
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:22 AM   #196
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Busto, RBK: thanks. I did watch Charlie Wilson's War a long time ago, but should give it a rewatch. Haven't seen Toy Story 3 for some reason even though I love those movies and I haven't seen Road to Perdition either, so I'll give those a shot.

g-bebe: lol sorry, yeah game theory optimal.

Baltimore: Those seem like morality issues to me, which does not necessarily mean politics. Maybe I'm using the terms incorrectly as far as movies go.
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Old 11-08-2018, 02:25 PM   #197
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I haven't seen it in a number of years, but I'm preparing a course on Romantic Comedies, so I just watched Annie Hall again. It's never been my favorite Allen film (Manhattan and Hannah and Her Sisters are), but I found it quite wistful this time. Perhaps it's that an ex- girlfriend reminds me of Diane Keaton, or maybe it's the L.A. and New York locations, or maybe it's sadder than it first appears. I'm not sure.

I like at the end that Allen's character gives his play a happy ending, despite knowing the ending. The closing montage where Allen looks at his relationship with Annie in bits and pieces really is the wistful part.

Of course, it also has some great lines, one of my favorites being Allen's comment about why he couldn't attend a concert: "My racoon had hepatitis."

Still, it's a great movie that has aged well, but it's a very different movie for me at 65 than when I was 22.
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Old 11-08-2018, 04:29 PM   #198
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I watched Sicario 2 on an international flight. Don't get the 63% RT rating at all. I thought it was ****ing awesome and probably coulda watched it the entire 7.5 hour flight had the movie just kept going on that long
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Old 11-08-2018, 05:15 PM   #199
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I haven't seen it in a number of years, but I'm preparing a course on Romantic Comedies, so I just watched Annie Hall again. It's never been my favorite Allen film (Manhattan and Hannah and Her Sisters are), but I found it quite wistful this time. Perhaps it's that an ex- girlfriend reminds me of Diane Keaton, or maybe it's the L.A. and New York locations, or maybe it's sadder than it first appears. I'm not sure.

I like at the end that Allen's character gives his play a happy ending, despite knowing the ending. The closing montage where Allen looks at his relationship with Annie in bits and pieces really is the wistful part.

Of course, it also has some great lines, one of my favorites being Allen's comment about why he couldn't attend a concert: "My racoon had hepatitis."

Still, it's a great movie that has aged well, but it's a very different movie for me at 65 than when I was 22.
Yeah, it's incredibly wistful and romantic to me now; when I was younger, it was just funny.
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Re: Talk About Movies: Part 4

Latin History For Morons: John Leguizamo's Road To Broadway.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt7310916/

Brilliant one man show by John Leguizamo who delves into the little known history of the Latin peoples and their heroes.
Best history lesson ever!
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