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03-02-2024 , 02:13 PM
It's funny, I immediately drew parallels in my tastes in LOTR to Dune.

I think it's an unpopular opinion; I prefer Fellowship over Two Towers/ROTK. Similarly I like Part 1 over Part 2.
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03-02-2024 , 02:49 PM
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Really?

I understand (and often agree with) your sentiment. But finding it “baffling,” is pretty lol.
The way fans rage about screen adaptations of books is pretty strange. For one, I don't love any book or comic so much that I'm going to invest time and emotional energy in getting anxious about an adaptation.

More importantly, if you want something that's 100% faithful to the book, read the book. Apart from the practical considerations (film length, production time, money, etc) that make reproduction impossible, what would be the point? It would be boring if an adaptation were exactly the same.

Thirdly, a lot of the written source material could frankly use some help. The LotR books are dryly written with mostly non-existent characterisation. When Gandalf dies in the book, the extent of the mourning is "Alas for Gandalf!" and then on they go. Similar with Boromir's death. The film made those scenes much more emotionally weighty.
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03-02-2024 , 03:00 PM
Who are you trying to convince? I said I agree with the sentiment.

However, expecting people to NOT compare adaptations to the source material is lol. They’re gonna do it, every single time.
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03-02-2024 , 03:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Rooksx
The way fans rage about screen adaptations of books is pretty strange. For one, I don't love any book or comic so much that I'm going to invest time and emotional energy in getting anxious about an adaptation.

More importantly, if you want something that's 100% faithful to the book, read the book. Apart from the practical considerations (film length, production time, money, etc) that make reproduction impossible, what would be the point? It would be boring if an adaptation were exactly the same.

Thirdly, a lot of the written source material could frankly use some help. The LotR books are dryly written with mostly non-existent characterisation. When Gandalf dies in the book, the extent of the mourning is "Alas for Gandalf!" and then on they go. Similar with Boromir's death. The film made those scenes much more emotionally weighty.
I don't think you got the books, at least in those parts. As a reader, even the first time, I never thought Gandalf was dead, and I figured the other members of the fellowship didn't think he was dead either. Boromir was a minor character who was a traitor to the cause. It makes no more sense for anyone to mourn his death than the death of Saruman.
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03-02-2024 , 03:21 PM
To derail the film adaptation discussion even further : my pet peeve are movies (loosely) based on real events that viewers identify as being 100% true and fail to understand the creative liberties that a director/screen writer will take... sigh
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03-02-2024 , 03:58 PM
Ugh, just watched a video about the differences between the new Dune films and the books, and apparently my favorite character from the book was dropped from the plot of the film. They beefed up other female roles for the film, but dropped the most important female character from the books
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who killed the primary villain
. I guess they didn't think a creepy preschooler with the mind of an adult would have gone over well with viewers?
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03-02-2024 , 04:12 PM
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Ugh, just watched a video about the differences between the new Dune films and the books, and apparently my favorite character from the book was dropped from the plot of the film. They beefed up other female roles for the film, but dropped the most important female character from the books
Spoiler:
who killed the primary villain
. I guess they didn't think a creepy preschooler with the mind of an adult would have gone over well with viewers?
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Two main problems spring to mind.

Where do you find a YOUNG child with the required acting ability?

How do you make a CGI toddler flipping around and doing Fremen-fu not look stupid?

I think they made the right choice and the change to her character works well.
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03-02-2024 , 05:48 PM
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To derail the film adaptation discussion even further : my pet peeve are movies (loosely) based on real events that viewers identify as being 100% true and fail to understand the creative liberties that a director/screen writer will take... sigh
And for an even further detail my pet peeve is movies based on real events period. I have zero interest in them
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03-02-2024 , 07:07 PM
When did this turn into the 'WHY MOVIES SUCK according to me' thread...
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03-02-2024 , 07:12 PM
The changes Villeneuve made or omitted from the books were all fine. Trying to introduce Alia as a major character would never have worked.
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03-02-2024 , 07:21 PM
Gonna need a Spice Girls cameo in the next sequel. It's all about the spice, you know. And the big-ass worms.
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03-02-2024 , 08:43 PM
Black Rain (1989)

Drag racing Harleys: Improbable bikes!

It always rains in: Staten Island!

Smoking: In restaurants!

Internal Affairs: Suits!

Knife Fu! Meat locker Fu!
Spoiler:
Rocky!


My collar: My case!

Get a geisha: Northwest Orient 747!

The old Sting switcheroo! Don’t fall for it! He fell for it!

Tom Cruise: Played by Mike Douglas!

No-guns Fu. Foreplay Fu!

Scorpions!! I was hoping for one of those gangs on Monkeys!

This movie doesn’t make any sense: And I mean that in a good way!

Counterfeit!: We won the peace!

Karaoke Fu! Pedestrian v. Biker Fu! RIP Partner Fu! He was only 28!

Sequins!

(Jamie Lee Curtis played by Katie Capshaw!)

In the foundry with the plates: “One plate to rule them all, one plate to find them, one plate to bring them all, and in the darkness bind them!”

Time for a shootout: No Suzukis were harmed in the making of this film!

To live and die in Osaka: I belong to a group: Top Golf!:

Apalachin: I’m going to cover the front!: “What?”: Wat???


12-gauge Fu! Motor-bike Fu!

Great-Escape motorbike-over-the-fence Fu! Go Mike Go!

Whirling-tire buzzsaw Fu! Punji stick Fu (unconsummated!)!

I caught the Bad Guy and all I got was: This lousy plaque!

A magnificent example of the “And then… and then… and then…” school of storytelling. Plus, Ridley Scott. Sure, a lot of plot points don’t bear reflection, but they don’t give you time to reflect, so it’s all good!!! Fun Movie. Way underrated! Check it out!
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03-02-2024 , 08:47 PM
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Gonna need a Spice Girls cameo in the next sequel. It's all about the spice, you know. And the big-ass worms.
I like this idea
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03-02-2024 , 08:47 PM
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When did this turn into the 'WHY MOVIES SUCK according to me' thread...
I watched on a rainy Saturday Once Upon a Time in Anatolia by Nuri Bilge Ceylon.

It didn't suck at all.

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03-02-2024 , 09:48 PM
Sasquatch Sunset trailer looks interesting... but not sure if it's based on a book thought
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03-02-2024 , 10:44 PM
Poor Things was....different.

Great performances, incredible set design and make-up...but ultimately ugly. A man puts a baby brain into a woman and she becomes a sex pot for many men? That's....sick.

I get the whole point the movie is making, but this was not very entertaining for me. There were some good laughs. Was surprised Emma Stone showed so much skin. Bold choice for an actor of her stature.

In the end, I appreciate it but did not like.
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03-03-2024 , 01:08 AM
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The changes Villeneuve made or omitted from the books were all fine. Trying to introduce Alia as a major character would never have worked.
She wasn't really a major character and wouldn't need to have much screen time. But she is a huge character in the next book which it seems like will also be filmed. It would make more sense to me to have her character presented as a child the way she was in the book.

Just doesn't seem like what they did with the story would work for me. I enjoyed the SciFi channel version though, so I guess that was good enough for me.
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03-03-2024 , 01:58 AM
since everyone is content to argue about the DUNE movies...let me ask a serious question. Why didn't Sting get an Academy Award nomination for his performance in the 1984 version? He was the only reason I saw that one at the theater.
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03-03-2024 , 03:28 AM
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It's funny, I immediately drew parallels in my tastes in LOTR to Dune.

I think it's an unpopular opinion; I prefer Fellowship over Two Towers/ROTK. Similarly I like Part 1 over Part 2.
Two Towers was definitely my favourite on first viewing. Now probably my least favourite.

Fellowship is also probably my favourite now. It's the one with the most characterisation and world building, and those are arguably the main strengths of the trilogy.
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03-03-2024 , 06:36 AM
Question about Dune. Did everybody read the book(s)? Just wondering if anyone who goes in cold (bookless) can enjoy this stuff. Please only answer if you never read the books (or saw earlier versions) and went in cold and enjoyed the movies. That first one seemed like disjointed nobnsense to me but I am guessing I may have felt different if I had some prior knowledge.
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03-03-2024 , 07:29 AM
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Question about Dune. Did everybody read the book(s)? Just wondering if anyone who goes in cold (bookless) can enjoy this stuff. Please only answer if you never read the books (or saw earlier versions) and went in cold and enjoyed the movies. That first one seemed like disjointed nobnsense to me but I am guessing I may have felt different if I had some prior knowledge.
My gf has never read the books and enjoyed both films.
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03-03-2024 , 07:44 AM
I read the book as a teenager, liked it quite a bit. Not a scifi person at all btw. The David Lynch version just seemed like crazy bs and I didn't even try this new one yet, but I think the demands of cultural literary are forcing me to at least watch the first one.

I suspect it's gonna be full of woke bs and wildly overhyped, but maybe I should save all my hate til I actually watch it.
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03-03-2024 , 10:51 AM
I suspect it's gonna be full of woke bs and wildly overhyped, but maybe I should save all my hate til I actually watch it.

Haven't seen it, but I suspect it's not full of woke bs. Hope to verify what may be my rather jejune thoughts on Tuesday.

And it's always a good idea to save hate. You'll never know when you really need it.


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03-03-2024 , 11:57 AM
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Originally Posted by mrbaseball
Question about Dune. Did everybody read the book(s)? Just wondering if anyone who goes in cold (bookless) can enjoy this stuff. Please only answer if you never read the books (or saw earlier versions) and went in cold and enjoyed the movies. That first one seemed like disjointed nobnsense to me but I am guessing I may have felt different if I had some prior knowledge.
I never read the books. Some guys on my Razorback board always talked about it the books and that’s probably the only reason I watched it. I was blown away by Part One and loved everything about it.
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03-03-2024 , 12:15 PM
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Originally Posted by John Cole
I watched on a rainy Saturday Once Upon a Time in Anatolia by Nuri Bilge Ceylon.

It didn't suck at all.

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Anybody see Once Upon a Time in Anatolia this weekend?

Just kidding. I meant "ever"?

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