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Old 07-06-2020, 10:15 PM   #4851
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Give it another try gramps. It’s awesome. ��
It did very little for me. It's clever, I guess. My GF found it exhausting, too, and she's your age!
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Old 07-07-2020, 12:39 AM   #4852
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For podcasts, my favorite overall (film-related or not) is The Important Cinema Club: https://soundcloud.com/the-important-cinema-club

They do a good mix of obscure stuff with popular, and episodes aren't too long.

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since we're talking internal disney politics let me just mention one of my fav books is disneywar and you all should read it.
Read 75% of this and need to go finish some day. Have you read Storming the Magic Kingdom? Takes place right before Disney War, was one of my favorite reads ever.
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Old 07-07-2020, 04:41 AM   #4853
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The New York Times had an excellent article that detailed the fabrications in Hamilton's plot and described Alexander Hamilton, the man, this way:



It is really just a bunch of propaganda nonsense.
Hamilton has always been one of my favorite historical characters and founding fathers. Read the outstanding biography by Ron Chernow. Because of that I don't want to see whatever this play is because I am sure it would distort one of my favorite historical eras and players.
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Old 07-07-2020, 06:08 AM   #4854
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Iím pretty sure he and I are pretty close in age. Iím late 40s.
dom's posting very much embodies that of an old soul

avatar nor his love for buffalo doesn't make him seem young either
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Old 07-07-2020, 09:54 AM   #4855
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The New York Times had an excellent article that detailed the fabrications in Hamilton's plot and described Alexander Hamilton, the man, this way:



It is really just a bunch of propaganda nonsense.
From everything I have read it holds up pretty well to actual events. Sure, they took some liberties here and there but overall it is pretty accurate.
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Old 07-07-2020, 12:20 PM   #4856
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Watching Hamilton(2020) which is nicely filmed recording of the live Broadway musical with its original cast when it was at its height of popularity. I didn't know what to expect. 2hrs 40 min. Haven't finished it yet. I don't want to say a lot about it yet. I do enjoy musicals and have seen some great broadway musicals on the screen and in person but this is one of the only times I felt too old to fully enjoy a highly popular show.
I definitely enjoyed it.

However......

I'm just not a fan of the modern day musical where the entire dialogue is set to music. I much prefer the old style where there was a plot and dialogue with songs sprinkled in. I feel like the songs stood on their own a lot better. Other than the song the king sang that had that little da-da-da stuff I can't really think of any song in Hamilton that I would remember. I can remember every song from Oliver or Oklahoma or many of those older musicals.

Of the new style, Hamilton was definitely the best I've seen.
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Old 07-07-2020, 08:36 PM   #4857
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I can see they put a lot of effort into Hamilton(2020) in the writing, dancing , and trying to get story somewhat historically accurate. Closed captions were a big help because the rap lyrics were too fast for me. Making a musical about Hamilton's career is a unique idea. Glad people liked it.
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Old 07-07-2020, 09:13 PM   #4858
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Alexander Hamilton came from a poor background and was sometimes disparagingly called The Creole by his peers. But he was also a ruthless man of self-interest and very little principle, his aims in life limited to accumulating fortune and ingratiating himself to members of the aristocracy to which he felt he deserved to belong.

He did not believe in democracy. He thought most people were little more than common swine and not capable of governing themselves. He was an adamant proponent of regressive tax policies, marching soldiers against the common workers among his own countrymen, so he could force them at the point of a bayonet to service the interest payments on his speculative investments. He proposed a monarchy and senators for life at the Constitutional Convention (and he wanted all of these people to be selected by rich, intelligent men like himself). He was the biggest supporter of Wall St. banks at the expense of everyone else, but one could not accuse him of making inequality worse, because he would not consider that to be an accusation. He would have gladly admitted that he believed most of the population merely existed to enrich greater men like himself.

Everything Alexander Hamilton stood for was rejected by the U.S. public over 200 years ago. Everything we know as the good old U.S.A. was the product of Jeffersonian Democracy, Thomas Jefferson being Alexander Hamilton's arch-rival.

So I find Hamilton the musical, the movie, whichever, kinda disgusting to be honest, it's a story in which everything except for fanfiction parts about this horrible and scandalous man were left out.

Besides the fact that it's kinda whatever artistically, to make a story about that man and then dress it up with hip hop and minority actors and sell it as the great play of wokeism ... at $500 a ticket no less ... I find it all rather off-putting.
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Old 07-07-2020, 09:38 PM   #4859
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Read 75% of this and need to go finish some day. Have you read Storming the Magic Kingdom? Takes place right before Disney War, was one of my favorite reads ever.
never heard of it but will def read it love the genre so ty.
if you have any other similar books (not just about Disney obv) pls let me know.

I love all the entertainment industry books by peter biskind.
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Old 07-07-2020, 09:50 PM   #4860
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Hamilton has always been one of my favorite historical characters and founding fathers. Read the outstanding biography by Ron Chernow. Because of that I don't want to see whatever this play is because I am sure it would distort one of my favorite historical eras and players.
Given that not only was the Ron Chernow biography the main inspiration for the musical, but Ron Chernow himself was the technical advisor to Lin-Manuel Miranda in the development of the musical, I think that your fears are unfounded.
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Old 07-08-2020, 06:36 AM   #4861
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The New York Times had an excellent article that detailed the fabrications in Hamilton's plot and described Alexander Hamilton, the man, this way:



It is really just a bunch of propaganda nonsense.
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Alexander Hamilton came from a poor background and was sometimes disparagingly called The Creole by his peers. But he was also a ruthless man of self-interest and very little principle, his aims in life limited to accumulating fortune and ingratiating himself to members of the aristocracy to which he felt he deserved to belong.

He did not believe in democracy. He thought most people were little more than common swine and not capable of governing themselves. He was an adamant proponent of regressive tax policies, marching soldiers against the common workers among his own countrymen, so he could force them at the point of a bayonet to service the interest payments on his speculative investments. He proposed a monarchy and senators for life at the Constitutional Convention (and he wanted all of these people to be selected by rich, intelligent men like himself). He was the biggest supporter of Wall St. banks at the expense of everyone else, but one could not accuse him of making inequality worse, because he would not consider that to be an accusation. He would have gladly admitted that he believed most of the population merely existed to enrich greater men like himself.

Everything Alexander Hamilton stood for was rejected by the U.S. public over 200 years ago. Everything we know as the good old U.S.A. was the product of Jeffersonian Democracy, Thomas Jefferson being Alexander Hamilton's arch-rival.

So I find Hamilton the musical, the movie, whichever, kinda disgusting to be honest, it's a story in which everything except for fanfiction parts about this horrible and scandalous man were left out.

Besides the fact that it's kinda whatever artistically, to make a story about that man and then dress it up with hip hop and minority actors and sell it as the great play of wokeism ... at $500 a ticket no less ... I find it all rather off-putting.
This man gets it!




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Hamilton has always been one of my favorite historical characters and founding fathers. Read the outstanding biography by Ron Chernow. Because of that I don't want to see whatever this play is because I am sure it would distort one of my favorite historical eras and players.
It's so sad to me when people have this mindset. Myself, I love facts.

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From everything I have read it holds up pretty well to actual events. Sure, they took some liberties here and there but overall it is pretty accurate.
What have you read, Chernow?
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Old 07-08-2020, 08:24 AM   #4862
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We should all stop reading Shakespeare too cause those were some bad people!
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Old 07-08-2020, 11:13 AM   #4863
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That doesn't make any sense, Clovis. I never said anything about not attending plays written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, also I didn't comment on him being a good or bad person. I just think Hamilton in hip hop with minority actors would be like writing a play about Andrew Jackson and casting it with Native Americans and celebrating what a great and visionary man he was.

Why not do a hip-hop all minority play about Lincoln? Or what about major black historical people? Barack Obama? MLK or Malcom X? Booker Washington or Spike Lee or Quentin Tarantino?
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Old 07-08-2020, 11:59 AM   #4864
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We should all stop reading Shakespeare too cause those were some bad people!
I agree. Shakespeare is overrated. Besides, we should read books from other languages.
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Old 07-08-2020, 12:20 PM   #4865
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That doesn't make any sense, Clovis. I never said anything about not attending plays written by Lin-Manuel Miranda, also I didn't comment on him being a good or bad person. I just think Hamilton in hip hop with minority actors would be like writing a play about Andrew Jackson and casting it with Native Americans and celebrating what a great and visionary man he was.

Why not do a hip-hop all minority play about Lincoln? Or what about major black historical people? Barack Obama? MLK or Malcom X? Booker Washington or Spike Lee or Quentin Tarantino?
It was written by, staged and stars nearly all non-white people. Perhaps that should tell you something.
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Old 07-08-2020, 11:49 PM   #4866
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never heard of it but will def read it love the genre so ty.
if you have any other similar books (not just about Disney obv) pls let me know.

I love all the entertainment industry books by peter biskind.
For movies, Adventures in the Screen Trade by famous screenwriter William Goldman is great if you haven't read. Especially loved the All the President's Men chapter. There's a sequel that I'm excited to read at some point.

If you'll do TV subject, I loved the two Late Shift books (Letterman/Leno and Conan/Leno).

For the same type of narrative non-fiction but not entertainment, there's Hackers (computer industry up through 1984, does include Sierra the game company) and Liar's Poker (80's Wall Street).

Important Cinema Club podcast on film books; I actually don't know if I've read any of them yet. They mention Biskind. They're written out in the post if you don't wanna listen: https://filmtrap.com/icc-62-best-fil...-according-us/
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I loved both late shift books as well.
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I agree. Shakespeare is overrated. Besides, we should read books from other languages.
The Mahabharata is one of my favorite books. I've read the abridged version many times.
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Dark Waters (Todd Haynes, 2019)

Really good movie.

China Girl (Abel Ferrara, 1987)

Ferraraís spin on Romeo & Juliet. Formally a treat, but a little dull.
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Old 07-09-2020, 10:09 AM   #4870
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I agree. Shakespeare is overrated. Besides, we should read books from other languages.
I didnít realize reading was a zero sum game.
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Old 07-09-2020, 11:19 AM   #4871
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Last night on TCM:
  • Harvey
  • Bringing Up Baby
  • A Night at the Opera

That was a pretty good night.
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Old 07-10-2020, 01:27 PM   #4872
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Last night on TCM:


  • Harvey
  • Bringing Up Baby
  • A Night at the Opera



That was a pretty good night.
I wish I still got TCM. Some of my favorite movies there.
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Old 07-10-2020, 02:52 PM   #4873
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I've never seen Harvey. I have seen rabbits before; even wild ones dancing about the roadways.
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Harvey is a favorite of mine. In fact, I keep a copy of Jane Austen's Sense and Sensibility next to my cologne collection as a tribute to Harvey.
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Finally saw Uncut Gems.

Early on, was wondering what the hype was about - but, the increasingly manic, wild spin feel ends up driving both engagement and the narrative.

Sandler's never been better. Every cast member's performance feels authentic. &, nobody plays Kevin Garnett better than Kevin Garnett.
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