Maybe that they have to flush four times to get the toilet to work, for reasons best left unwritten?

We don't actually know that he's never saved his life as most of their adventures are left untold. What a number of people probably aren't taken into account is that he's probably grown up protecting this Ben and now has to take a shot at him and probably feels guilty for not doing it sooner too.

lol very smart. I guess the reason left untold is that it is a Star Wars: TFA sized turd.


FWIW I agree with those of you who say that us naysayers are a bunch of nits, but the problem is that there are just sooooooooooooo many problems. So many. I think most of us started out by pointing out the obvious huge problems (plot, large plot holes, rehashing, miscasting etc), but after that there are still 100s of other problems left. (btw anyone notice that after Kylo doesn't find BB8 in the village he doesn't even search outside the village? Like maybe look for that trail in the sand that BB8 is leaving as he slowly moves away.)

So while most of us weren't being nitty at the start, it's so easy to nitpick.

maybe this will cheer you up
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=53DQgbj2mIc

Least interesting Star Wars yet

I felt the exact same way

Apparently George Lucas finally made his opinion known. Said something to the effect of always doing something different and how he wouldn't have copied as much from the original trilogy, similar to a lot of other complaints.

Finished by saying (not seen in interview) "so this is what it feels like to **** on Star Wars".

Lots of good commentary in this thread.

Finally caught it yesterday. Not sure what I think. Didn't like how Rey magically went from generic scavenger to SuperJedi SuperPilot over the course of a few days with zero training, didn't seem right. Made a mockery of the force and Jedi training.

Liked Finn, but his behavior went back and forth from believable to ridiculous too many times. Not the actor's fault, he did a good job with what he had.

The acting was fine, with the exception of Leia. Wow, was that bad acting.

Some of the comic moments were overly forced. BB8 thumbs up lighter was great. Chewie "yeah I'm brave, whats up" was great as well.

Enjoyed EmoVader. Good character, well acted. It's nice to see a threatening villain who is not nigh-omnipotent.

What it comes down to is that this movie is not for Star Wars fans. It's for the children of Star Wars fans. Nothing wrong with that, but the people getting bent out of shape over all of the things that were "incorrect" don't seem to understand that.

It seems to me the movie was for Star Wars fans (and their children). I don't think it was for film fans.

After checking out snippets from that George Lucas interview, I got curious about what he would have done. He claims he wanted to make things different, although the things he counted as different were "new spaceships, new planets". He didn't like that they made a retro movie.

Has modern Disney ever been know for their creativity? They are commercial first then creative.

Saw it for a second time tonight. It somehow got better. The Finn Poe thing I understand a bit more now (Finn thinks Poe died saving his life, that's huge). And Finn going gaga over Rey...coming from his perspective, he's been trained all his life to be a solider. No girls. No freedom. No pleasure. Of course he's going to do anything to get a piece of her.

Movie still felt rushed. Almost as if they went from one big thing to the next big thing to the next. And you can't convince me that Hamill is a great Jedi with the shape he looked to be in.

A couple of things I did pick up on. Kylo's lightsaber is all wavy because he wasn't fully committed to the dark side before killing Han. His training was never complete so it seems unstable. Would be surprised to see the lightsaber still show as unstable in the next installments. And finally, Rey is Leia and Han's daughter. Rey never knew her father, Han and Leia split up roughly around the time Ren went bad. Her and Han are very similar. The ship leaving when kid Rey is dropped off is the same as the ship Leia is on to arrive on whatever planet. They have the weird embrace out of nowhere. And let's face it, Luke isn't the type of guy to leave anyone behind. So why would he leave his daughter behind.

The driving force of the story is that Luke left everyone behind and now they are all looking for him.

Yea, you may need to watch it a third time

I understand what George Lucas meant by the "white slavers" comment. Obviously that was a poor choice of words but to him, the Star Wars movies are his babies and he has seller's remorse and/or is disappointed that they went with a super-safe remake/ripoff of the first Star Wars movie that was designed to extract as much money as possible for the Disney Corporation. At least in his mind, he was trying new things, both artistically and technologically with the prequels and Disney didn't do anything new or interesting with The Force Awakens. Maybe he feels betrayed as well since he sold it to Disney for well under its market value so that they would handle the franchise well and they haven't handled it to his liking.

It's been explained somewhere that it's because he used a cracked Kyber crystal, which makes the cross guard necessary.

https://www.quora.com/Could-Kylo-Ren...tsaber-remains

As for another point, the way Han immediately took to her and offered her a job made me think there was more there, but they never built on that before he died.

This kinda bugged me a little but iirc she's already sort of good as a pilot, in the beginning when she and Finn are running to find a ship she yells that they already have a pilot (her). The force stuff I am hoping will be more resolved in the next couple movies bc that was super lazy writing if she just "has" the ability to control it.

Best review of the movie thus far:

http://rightreason.typepad.com/right...e-awakens.html

(Even though his grammar and spelling is pretty bad. lol college students.)

If you want an excellent example of soft rebooting a popular franchise using elements of the original WITHOUT descending into parody, go see Creed.

Wow that guy needs to proofread his work. Was pretty impressed that he took 3 paragraphs to write "spoilers ahead" and he was no less longwinded later. Still it's a good article that expands on the all the points made in this thread.

Here's a good plot summary of the film:

I think you and I are somewhat on the same page about Ep.7. Rey's superpowers, and ace mechanic/pilot skills deserve some kind of explanation. I'm sure We'll get one in Ep.8, and I'm sure it won't appease the sceptics. The Death Star storyline is lazy, and I don't think you'll get too many counterarguments about that, even from the apologists.

However, when you start nitpicking to that extent about 7, you have to do it about 4 as well. So what exactly did Luke do to earn leading the final attack run on the Death Star ahead of Biggs and Wedge? He's never flown an X-wing, and no one (aside from Biggs, and his "Luke is the best bush pilot in the outer rim" line, which does further enhance your argument above) in the rebellion knows about his ability, whereas Biggs and Wedge through the extended literature and subsequent films, are known as two of the best pilots in the Resistance, sorry Rebellion.

That's just one point - there are dozens of others if you really want to be nitty about Ep.4, but at some point you just have to sit back and take things at face value.

The "Rey is a Mary Sue" complaint is overstated. This article nicely explains why: http://io9.gizmodo.com/please-stop-s...tar-1749134275

The tl;dr version: action movie heroes are always absurdly competent. People only seem to have a problem with that when the hero is a woman.

LOL. I guess the Finn haters are all just racists.

That article is awful.

Lolzomgwtf etc...

I haven't seen much of the way in reasonable Finn "hate", just complaints that he's able to use a lightsaber at all which are easily countered. The only Finn "hate" I've read has definitely been tinged with racism or sheer stupidity - "omg black stormtrooper is not Star Wars!"