Havent read through all thread, but it only makes sense that Rey is related to Luke. R2D2 would only power back on for master Luke. When Rey arrives, R2D2 powers on. It makes no sense why R2 would power on other than sensing Luke...and the whole lightsaber stuff.

Wouldn't be surprised if Rey was Luke + Obi-Wan's granddaughter kid.

Harry Potter was written as explicitly YA fiction. It's about kids in school.


The recent Star Treks have characters from 20 or so (Russian kid) to early 40s (Bones, Scotty), as did the original TV show. Subsequent TV shows had an even wider age range. So not sure what you're on about there.

Yeah, I have no problem with this plotline at all. It's all entirely plausible. They could've fleshed out the situation a lot better, but I don't expect any kind of intricate geo-politics out of Star Wars. The prequels actually did that part extremely well, heh.

Poe was obviously not a blank slate. Also not super young. As for being 3 dimensional, I think he qualifies, albeit barely. Hopefully plays a bigger role in subsequent mvoeis. Isaac is a tremendous actor.

They were originally going to kill him off and (as stated) he was basically just Biggs with a marginally larger role. In fact, I'm guessing he was originally intended as a callback to Biggs (good looking hotshot pilot with a porn stache).

Well, now I'm not sure what you're on about. First off, Star Wars is pretty YA targeted itself.

Secondly, Star Treks 2-6 were ancient, with only a handful of characters who could even be called "middle-aged".

The new one spread the age out a bit, but the core Pine/Quinto/Saldana trio are all pretty close. There's no "cool" character for older people or younger people to want to be.

But third and most importnatly, that's fine, because "there isn't a character in each demographic spot" is a INSANE complaint to make about a movie!

Have you seen literally any other movies? Most films don't even go with the ensemble act, was John Wick's only appeal to mid-40s white dudes? Fury Road had 2 leads who were both in the late 30s, and the third biggest role was played by a heavily armored truck. You don't need to hit tokenism for each demo to succeed.

But then here comes the real talk:
But even under this weird tokenism quota system, man if there is one demographic that doesn't need their ego stroked it's "good looking dudes in their mid-30s".

That particular demo, if not slaked by this one Star Wars movie, can presumably find some comfort in PRACTICALLY EVERY MOVIE EVER MADE starring a member of their cohort.

Dude, I saw the original Star Wars in the theater when I was NINE YEARS OLD and immediately identified with Han Solo. His demographic is not the point. Leia was the character I felt the 2nd most connection to.


They're badass 3 dimensional people out living their badass 3 dimensional lives; lives we can imagine living (or would like to, it is fantasy).


Everyone in this Star Wars is either a blank slate or a crusty old **** there for fan service. There's no one for me to identify with, even the 9 year old me. We don't know Poe enough to want to be him. We know too ****ing much about Kylo Ren. Rey and Finn both seem to be playing the Luke role.

Have you actually asked any 9 year old what they think of the new movie? (without inceptioning ideas in their minds)

I would be very curious to see if 9 year olds around the world are saying:

This is kind of along the same lines when I used to ask people what their thoughts would be if Phantom Menace was the first movie that came out and the one they saw initially as a child.

I think to appease everyone though, Star Wars should go even more politically correct and have a male and female from every race and age bracket as a main character. Fill up the Millennium Falcon like Noah's Ark.

This may have been addressed already but was thinking of one issue I had with the movie.

When Finn first defects, he claims that he is part of the Resistance, and wants to keep it a secret that he was actually a Stormtrooper. When it eventually comes out that he was a Stormtrooper who defected, he is praised more for that than had he just been a garden variety resistance member. Why did he feel the need to keep it a secret at first?

Because no one would have believed he was there for the right reason.

that and he didn't know he would be met with open arms and/or might have still been treated like the enemy

IGN on biggest problems with script

Well, the girl hit him with a staff. Then she warms up when she thinks he's in the resistance, so he follows along. It makes perfect sense for him to go along with what she thought given her reaction.

Being received with open arms happened after Poe talked about how he survived.

Don't forget each Alien Species!!

Yeah, when I rewatched I wondered why no one ever made any effort to hide BB-8.

Finn was my favorite character. I can't even imagine the movie without him working as entertainment. His character was definitely quite a bit of an audience stand-in, but this kind of movie needs that really bad. And, I loved that role.

I was going to leave this thread alone, but I have to say it contains the biggest gang of miserable, nitpicking bastards I've encountered outside of OOT.

And if I ever meet any of you face to face, I'm going to tell you what a no-good, rotten, four-flushing, low-life, snake-licking, dirt-eating, inbred, overstuffed, ignorant, blood-sucking, dog-kissing, brainless, dickless, hopeless, heartless, fat-ass, bug-eyed, stiff-legged, spotty-lipped, worm-headed sack of monkey **** you are.

I really don't understand this idea that the movie somehow suffers from not having enough white males actors. Who the hell is watching this and thinking "What this film really needs is someone with the acting chops of a young Mark Hamill, or a Hayden Christensen!"

Han's death gets even more emotional when you realize that Chewie never repayed his life debt to Han. You could argue that his decades of service as his first mate served just as well, but Chewie never got to actually save his life iirc

LOL, Agreed. And I haven't even seen the movie yet.

I'm sure you had the same reaction when people were slagging The Phantom Menace.

Agreed! Clark W, Griswald couldn't have said it better himself!

Even though I disagree with the people disliking the movie, I've enjoyed the thread so far.

Is dog kissing is a bad thing? I wouldn't link it with the rest of the insults.

What does four flushing even mean?