was discovery that bad?
i haven't watched S2 yet. S1 was fine. some pretty bad stuff. but mostly passable.

The episode New Eden felt like a proper old school trek. Anson Mount's Captain Pike is definitely worth tuning in for.

However, it does feel like the writers are being lazy. Some bits they do call backs to other trek whilst trampling on it to a bit meh Other bits it feels like they're just outright pulling things out they're arse

I would say Season 2 is slightly worse than 1, but not enough to recommend you avoid if you found season 1 fine.

I watched all of S1 and was thoroughly underwhelmed, although there were some high spots - mainly involving Lorca and Georgiou with fine work from their respective actors.

I got half way through S2 and bailed. It's just bad.

lol wtf at the third spoiler

I'm still hoping the Tarantino Star Trek will happen. He gave a recent interview and said that JJ Abrams told him that he could use or ignore any of the canon he wants. It's nice they're giving him a lot of freedom.

https://trekmovie.com/2019/07/23/que...-trek-project/

And for that reason, I hope it never happens. Freedom, yeah, but ignoring potentially large chunks of trek because who cares and why not? Naff off.

Yeah. You probably won't find a person that's less of a fan of JJ Abrams' work than me, but a big part of Trekkie-dom, for me, is being a continuity nit. Yeah, there are issues sometimes, but at least you can say they try. If they just let him toss out whatever he didn't like, that would be a mess.

It’s not like Trek hasn’t gone on alternate timeline storylines.

Voyager and TNG both used time travel and alternate times to end the series. As long as the characters are somewhat consistent and Tarantino doesn’t compromise on his vision, whatever it is, to end up with a half assed product trying to please everyone, I think things can work out.

Yeah, as long as you understand that it exists in a bubble, it's fine. While I didn't care the mirror universe episodes much in DS9, the 2-parter in ENT rocked (another example of where it worked).

I'm reading a little into his quote above, but it seems like he's talking less about an alternate timeline and more like the "Star Wars 7 and 8" situation where JJ did his JJ thing and set up a bunch of dangling threads and the Johnson came in and said "All those mysteries we set up last time are dumb and don't have answers." As a JJ hater, I loved it, but I can't say it didn't make for 2 pretty awful films.

QT would be perfect for a film set in the Mirror Universe with it's darker setting and violence, but if he just wants to come in and say "All that stuff from Into Darkness was misdirection, here's the real Khan" I think he's going to be a tough road to hoe.

If it's literally that it could be a problem, as I don't think people will be receptive to yet ANOTHER Khan. But if it's more a general "this is the REAL sequel to Star Trek (2009)" then maybe. I'd be interested to see how well that premise plays out with the new Terminator (the "real" part 3).

QT would be perfect for a Mirror Universe movie though, I agree. I still love the cold open to that ENT episode.

His implication is that he would use the Kelvin cast of Chris Pine, Zach Quinto, etc. and it would be set in either the regular time line and be a straight up prequel, or set in a QT timeline made up just for this movie.

That's what the "Benedict Cumberbach isn't Khan, Khan is Khan" line means. He's ignoring the Kelvin timeline, I doubt it means he's going to put Khan in his movie.

40th anniversary of Star Trek: The Motion Picture is being re-released in the theaters on Aug 2... DAY 1

I remember waiting in line for the first showing in Boston when it was released, then immediately heading to the nearest bar after the movie to drown my disappointment.

Yeah that first movie really sucked. Luckily Wrath of Khan redeemed things 3 or 4 years later.

Wrath of Khan probably saved the whole franchise.

Hard to believe any more films would have been made, or that TNG would have got off the ground without the success of TWOK, TSFS and TVH.

I actually watched TMP recently (the theatrical cut). It really is just a bad movie. How is it after years and years in development was that the best script they could slap together (apparently it was still a work in progress during filming)? Robert Wise's direction is terrible as well. The editing is terrible. The acting is terrible. And I really wanted to like it too with the consensus about it among Trekkies having improved recently ("it's a cerebral film with big ideas!").

The movie reminds me of TNG season 1 where it had virtually all of the same problems as the movie.

TMP is also bad because it's just a retelling of an episode of TOS - "The Changeling." It's not even an original plot that advances the series.

Wrath of Khan is great because it builds on the original episode and shows the unintended consequences of Kirk's prior decision.

I think Wrath of Khan did a lot to develop Trek characters that became caricatures of themselves by end of the first series.

Personally, I think the movie had a great script and direction but the mediocre acting and low production values (especially since the VFX used has aged terribly) prevented me from fully enjoying the film by the time I watched it.

... picking a fight with a civilization hundreds of years ahead in technology seems unwise.

Well, it worked, apparently!

Gotta catch up somehow, and Cochran was just heat checking after inventing warp drive.

I finally got through season 2 of TNG. It really did "grow the beard" after the horrendous season 1.

My favorite character is Riker. I loved him on the Klingon ship. My least favorite character is Data, because he is so overused. Pulaski was fine but I'm looking forward to Crusher coming back. My dark horse character is Wesley, because they gave him appropriate coming of age type stories, rather than have him miraculously save the ship.

If you ever watch the pilot episode of a long running show, you'll notice how almost everything is slightly off in the pilot compared to later episodes where everything has settled and the cast/crew have figured out how to make the show work. For TNG, it wasn't only the pilot episode that was like that, but the entire first season. They mostly figured it out by season 2. Apparently season 3 is the start of the peak of the show so looking forward to it getting even better.

Sigh. Its embarrassing at my age never to have read 1984 until now. Always thought “Chain of Command” was outstanding. Even more so just finishing Orwell.