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09-24-2017 , 08:04 PM

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"Excellent tea"

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09-24-2017 , 10:38 PM

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ST: Discovery in 20 minutes!

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09-24-2017 , 11:44 PM

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I live in America and don't get these weirdo stations.

Report from the front lines?

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09-25-2017 , 07:33 AM

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Discovery was very different than any previous series... seemed to be a little throwback to the original series with Vulcan (who is not a Vulcan) operating at the edge of treasonous mutiny. The world of Discovery is very lush and highly detailed.
To be continued.

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09-25-2017 , 08:15 AM

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Not sure what I think about the re-designed Klingons.

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09-25-2017 , 08:23 AM

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I really hate them. The old Klingons were just human faces with some ridges on their forehead. Which is good, because it let the actors act. Think about Gowron smirking, Worf scowling. These new Klingons you can't read their facial expressions because their faces are covered in a prosthesis. And then it's made worse by having them speak in a made up language. The actors are just completely crippled by these two factors. How are you supposed to act when you can't make your facial expressions read and you're speaking literal gibberish? The Klingon scenes just really dragged for me.

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09-25-2017 , 08:38 AM

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I really hate them. The version 2.0 Klingons were just human faces with some ridges on their forehead. Which is good, because it let the actors act. Think about Gowron smirking, Worf scowling. These new Klingons you can't read their facial expressions because their faces are covered in a prosthesis. And then it's made worse by having them speak in a made up language. The actors are just completely crippled by these two factors. How are you supposed to act when you can't make your facial expressions read and you're speaking literal gibberish? The Klingon scenes just really dragged for me.

Not to be a nit, but, FYP.

That being said, I think the creators of the series are trying too hard. Like they thought "Lets make the Klingons more alien looking."

I don't mind the language part. No different than characters speaking Dothraki and High Valerian in GoT.

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09-25-2017 , 08:46 AM

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Well the Klingons in TOS were just literally guys with bronzer on.

Dothraki and Valerian in GoT are terrible too! How in the world can you ask actors to act in a language that is literally made up and no one speaks? How can the director give the actor direction? They're just yelling out incomprehensible sounds!

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09-25-2017 , 10:16 AM

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Eh, they had to choose between appealing the hardcore fans who know about the Klingon virus thing and appealing to more casual viewers who want Klingons to look like TNG Klingons. I don't blame them for this choice.

I caught ~10 minutes of Orville, thought it was good light-hearted fun.

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09-26-2017 , 12:21 AM

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As a Star Trek fan, I watched Star Trek discovery both ep 1 and now ep 2. Episode 2 is exciting and the visuals and set design and special effects of this show are top notch. The flaws are too much Klingon speech with subtitles. Should have just let them speak accented english and given Klingon subtitles

. Also, the making the two lead actors be petite women is limiting. Anyway, Ep 2 ends in a surprising way that diverges from all other past Star Treks.

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09-26-2017 , 01:08 AM

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I set subtitles on to Kilngon on netflix, thinking it would only English subtitle the Kilngon speech... and it's actually Klingon.

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09-26-2017 , 02:15 AM

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Hard to make any general conclusions about ST-D after one episode, but I agree with the general consensus about the Klingons - they look more like the villain of the week in Stargate SG-1 than a credible threat.

They were also introduced way too early. It made it feel like a movie where they were in a rush to show off the bad guys - it's a TV show, there would have been plenty of room to have at least 2-3 episodes just building them up, without any reveal.

Plus, the scene where one dies was pretty bad.

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09-26-2017 , 09:53 AM

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I set subtitles on to Kilngon on netflix, thinking it would only English subtitle the Kilngon speech... and it's actually Klingon.

lol, amazing

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09-26-2017 , 04:15 PM

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I only made it through the first 10 minutes because the acting was so bad, even for a Star Trek show.

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09-26-2017 , 04:46 PM

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Dominic

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I mean, technically, all languages are completely made up....

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09-26-2017 , 04:55 PM

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Elrazor

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Yeah, Michelle Yeoh was noticeably bad, but I suspect that won't be an issue for long....

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09-26-2017 , 05:15 PM

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Wasn't the main character supposed to be half-Vulcan, half-human? Someone else thought she was just a human raised on Vulcan as well, but her mentor said something about her "human half" at one point, IIRC.

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09-26-2017 , 06:55 PM

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I don't really know, but my impression is she's human. She doesn't have the dominant pointy ear characteristic and did see red blood in the premier?

The future does seem to be overly argumentative and belligerent... I liked the more uniform nature of tos and tng but I did really like the discovery premier.

Does anyone know the timeline of this series in relation to the other timelines?

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09-26-2017 , 07:43 PM

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They should never have done the dumb Klingon virus thing and definitely shouldn't have doubled-down on it by creating a new version of the Klingons in order to keep up with that story. But I assume the main reason for the re-design isn't to fit with the virus story, but because they wanted something fresher than the regular Klingon design that was used from TMP until ENT.

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09-26-2017 , 07:52 PM

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Does anyone know the timeline of this series in relation to the other timelines?

10 years before TOS. Original universe, not the JJ Abrams one.

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09-26-2017 , 07:53 PM

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I don't really know, but my impression is she's human. She doesn't have the dominant pointy ear characteristic and did see red blood in the premier?

Yeah, I had forgotten that Spock was half human; I use him as my template for what a Vulcan looks like. I have only seriously watched the original series and the movies based on those characters, no more than a few episodes of any other series.

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09-26-2017 , 07:54 PM

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10 years before TOS, I believe.

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09-26-2017 , 09:13 PM

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09-26-2017 , 09:14 PM

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ST TNG S4E25: In Theory

The past season or two the series has tended to switch up the pace with low-key slice of life episodes sandwiched in between the serious political intrigues.

It's odd that Data has never seemed interested in the romantic side of human behavior despite being so fascinated with other aspects of human behavior. He puts in a halfhearted effort to try a relationship out as a side experiment, but it's clear that he's mostly just humoring his co-worker. I was expecting some kind of dramatic breakup at the end but things mostly just casually fizzle out.

I give it a C+. Okay as a chill-out episode.