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02-19-2016 , 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Kai Wynn WOAT
Not my favorite, but there had to be somebody worse on Voyager.
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02-19-2016 , 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
Now, really, how am I supposed to take this? You list recurring characters and you leave out........KURN????
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02-19-2016 , 03:34 PM
Harry was a terrible character....

Louise Fletcher (Wynn) has won a Best Actress Oscar. Agree the religion sub-plot was a bit meh, but she did a fine job in her role.
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02-19-2016 , 03:49 PM
Ok fine Neelix WOAT. I'm sure the actress did a perfectly good job, I just thought the character and her stories were boring.

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02-19-2016 , 06:04 PM
I'll definitely give DS9 more episodes. DS 9 started after B5 and B5 had a tight plot that was planned from the get go. It sounds like DS 9 borrowed more from B5 than the other way around. But the first episode was different enough from B5 that I think it will be worth the watch.
I liked Quark from the get go and I really liked Sisko.
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02-20-2016 , 10:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Enrique
I'll definitely give DS9 more episodes. DS 9 started after B5 and B5 had a tight plot that was planned from the get go. It sounds like DS 9 borrowed more from B5 than the other way around. But the first episode was different enough from B5 that I think it will be worth the watch.
I liked Quark from the get go and I really liked Sisko.
DS9 gets better as it progresses, and is not based on anything that has to do with B5. It's a continuation of some of the STNG political realities developed later in that series (Bajoran-Cardassian, Klingon, Ferengi, etc) with a new wrinkle introduced from the Gamma Quadrant, but that takes time to develop.
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02-20-2016 , 03:09 PM
I chuckle nearly every time I hear "Cardassian", it makes me think of the Kardashians.
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02-20-2016 , 10:19 PM
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Originally Posted by Elrazor
I'm a TNG>DS9 guy, but I have to admit, DS9 definitely introduced the side characters and story lines better. They just took something that fans clearly liked from TNG and ran with it.

Although the strength of guest stars like Dukat, Rom, Garak, Kai Winn do also highlight how weak the main cast is....
Heh, yeah I think objectively DS9 is a better show, but I still like TNG and TOS better for some reason.

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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
DS9 gets better as it progresses, and is not based on anything that has to do with B5. It's a continuation of some of the STNG political realities developed later in that series (Bajoran-Cardassian, Klingon, Ferengi, etc) with a new wrinkle introduced from the Gamma Quadrant, but that takes time to develop.
Part of the fun of DS9 is that it takes Roddenberry's idyllic sci-fi vision of the future and throws a monkey wrench into the works. Now we've got a world with money and avarice, the characters don't all get along, and not all the political problems are reconcilable without violence. For me, there's an anarchistic sense of joy at watching the franchise break its own rules.
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02-20-2016 , 10:34 PM
Agree that the main cast on DS9 is weaker than TNG.

Picard>Sisqo
Both actors and characters represent the strength of the shows, but Picard is a tremendous character while Sisqo is merely good. I know Sisqo gets a lot of hate but I really like the character. But anyway Picard is much better.

Riker>Kira
Not a huge Riker fan but I really don't like Kira. Ro Laren was supposed to be the XO on the station but Michelle Forbes didn't want to do it. Too bad, she would have knocked it out of the park.

Bashir>Crusher
I like Crusher but Bashir is a terrific character. Just great.

Miles Obrien > Laforge
Laforge is a good character but Miles is great. Love his relationship with Bashir. But he didn't join the show until season 4 so you have to mark this up as a tie i think

Quark>Troi
Quark and Troi don't really have natural counterparts here. Quark is better than almost every TNG character so who cares. Kind of a waste of a matchup. Guinan is a bartender, but she's not a main cast member. I dont' know.

Data>Dax
Come on, not even remotely close here. Dax is fine but Data is GOAT

TNG Worf > Odo
God I hate Odo. This matchup is a bloodbath.

DS9 Worf > Yar
Again, bloodbath. Come on.

Jake > Wesley
I mean he'd have to be, right?
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02-21-2016 , 12:22 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
But he didn't join the show until season 4
You're confused, it was Worf that didn't join until season 4.
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02-21-2016 , 02:02 AM
I just never watched ds9 as a kid, only TOS and TNG(and the movies) so I've never bothered. For some reason I feel like it's sure to be a disappointment even though a lot of people obv think it's great.
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02-21-2016 , 03:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Agree that the main cast on DS9 is weaker than TNG.

Picard>Sisqo
Both actors and characters represent the strength of the shows, but Picard is a tremendous character while Sisqo is merely good. I know Sisqo gets a lot of hate but I really like the character. But anyway Picard is much better.

Riker>Kira
Not a huge Riker fan but I really don't like Kira. Ro Laren was supposed to be the XO on the station but Michelle Forbes didn't want to do it. Too bad, she would have knocked it out of the park.

Bashir>Crusher
I like Crusher but Bashir is a terrific character. Just great.

Miles Obrien > Laforge
Laforge is a good character but Miles is great. Love his relationship with Bashir. But he didn't join the show until season 4 so you have to mark this up as a tie i think

Quark>Troi
Quark and Troi don't really have natural counterparts here. Quark is better than almost every TNG character so who cares. Kind of a waste of a matchup. Guinan is a bartender, but she's not a main cast member. I dont' know.

Data>Dax
Come on, not even remotely close here. Dax is fine but Data is GOAT

TNG Worf > Odo
God I hate Odo. This matchup is a bloodbath.

DS9 Worf > Yar
Again, bloodbath. Come on.

Jake > Wesley
I mean he'd have to be, right?
Agree with all of your assessments. Although three of your four DS9 wins have their roots in TNG which does water down their wins somewhat.

Alexander Siddig does indeed to a terrific job as Bashir though. He really immerses himself in the role, and never phones it in. I think the one DS9 character who really gets sci-fi and Star Trek.
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02-21-2016 , 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by Cranberry Tea
Heh, yeah I think objectively DS9 is a better show, but I still like TNG and TOS better for some reason.
TNG and TOS have by far the best top guys. The best two characters on any other Star Trek series pale in comparison to Kirk and Spock or Picard and Data. A drama with elite top guys and an average supporting cast will usually be more captivating than a show with average top guys but great supporting characters. The main characters set the overall tone and level of immersion.
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02-21-2016 , 09:33 AM
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Originally Posted by Lattimer
You're confused, it was Worf that didn't join until season 4.
Oops! Thought they both came over at the same time.
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02-21-2016 , 05:10 PM
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Originally Posted by SenorKeeed
Oops! Thought they both came over at the same time.
Garak first appears in S1, E3
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02-21-2016 , 05:12 PM
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Originally Posted by Enrique
I chuckle nearly every time I hear "Cardassian", it makes me think of the Kardashians.
The Cardassians appear somewhat before Robert Kardashian becomes well known for his friendship with OJ Simpson.

I recall during the OJ trial referring to him as "That Cardassian guy"
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02-21-2016 , 06:25 PM
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Originally Posted by Kurn, son of Mogh
Garak first appears in S1, E3
He was referring to O'Brien.
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02-29-2016 , 03:27 AM
ST TNG S3E09 The Vengeance Factor

Eminently bland.

Whilst a story involving someone so driven with vengeance that they seek a means to stay young, and care a genetically-coded virus that targets the victims, the plot and writing is bland and lacking any tension. The acting was mostly acceptable, but the content was dull.

2/10
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02-29-2016 , 09:25 AM
I've watched several Season 4 episodes. I really enjoyed the Klingon episodes, but my favorite was Drumhead. I thought it was amazing. I might have liked it more than Inner Light. It was also funny to see that this episode is where the Picard "facepalm" meme comes from. I was very impressed with Picard.
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02-29-2016 , 10:51 AM
there is a next generation episode that i think is centered around data. im not sure if he is on a ship or somewhere else. i think it is a very dark episode. there is a room, that kinda mutates or a jungle grows /starts growing in that room. i think data kinda changes along with said jungle. did i say, this episode has a very dark touch to it?! its the episode that scared me really good back than.
does anybody know this one?
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02-29-2016 , 11:41 AM
Is that the one where they find some Aztec temple like structure inside a comet and it starts changing the Enterprise and give Data multiple personalities of gods/citizens of that civilization (a season 7 episode)? If so, that was a pretty blah episode.

edit: S7E17 Masks http://memory-alpha.wikia.com/wiki/Masks_%28episode%29
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02-29-2016 , 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by diebitter
ST TNG S3E09 The Vengeance Factor

Eminently bland.

Whilst a story involving someone so driven with vengeance that they seek a means to stay young, and care a genetically-coded virus that targets the victims, the plot and writing is bland and lacking any tension. The acting was mostly acceptable, but the content was dull.

2/10
I normally have a good memory for TNG episodes, but without reading the synopsis on wikipedia, I don't recall this at all, which is probably an indication your rating is solid.

Edit: Oh, that one. meh.

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02-29-2016 , 12:17 PM
I remember Wesley being all judgmental toward the leader of the rebel faction and then being put in his place.
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03-01-2016 , 10:31 AM
Watched the second part of the Klingon civil war two parter. It was quite good.

After that, I went back and watched The Offspring about Data's daughter. Very good episode. It had funny moments and sad moments and of course, dilemma moments (should an android have the right to keep their offspring).
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03-01-2016 , 10:41 AM
That had one of my favorite data moments.

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